02/26/00 19:07:23
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| Name: kasper |
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Zebraheads new album ‘Playmate Of The Year’ went on sale last Tuesday (August 22)!!! Make sure you pick it up! For info, multimedia and more go to http://www.zebrahead.org!!!
02/26/00 19:07:23
| Name: Karl Core |
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BOYCOTT DAYTONA’S, PASADENA MARYLAND!!!
Inflated admission prices, ripping off bands, and now apparently bullying people seem to be part and parcel of all that is “Daytona’s”. Though most in the punk/ hardcore community might not, there are still many who might remember the various incarnation
of this club (under the same owner) coming and going due to the ongoing and well known “legal troubles” of the ownership. One thing that has remained almost constant has been the Sunday “Teen Nights”, most recently being in not only the dance area but a
so “hardcore” shows which feature all local bands. These Teen Night hardcore shows come at a hefty admission price of $10 per head to see only local bands. They attempt to justify this increased cost by saying that the kids get free pizza and sodas.
Recently, a person by the name of Michelle Bancroft solicited bands on the messageboard of a local music website, Pheer.com, (20k+ hits a month) run by Pablo Van Winkle which was predictably met by a volley of negative responses, decrying the out and out
CAM that Daytona’s is running. The responses ranged from vulgar and inflammatory to informative, basing their concerns in the fact that although the club is charging $10 per admission, the bands hardly see a dime of that money. One local band played one
f the teen nights and brought in over 300 paid admissions. Their compensation - $40. Meanwhile, the club took in $3,000 in gross receipts!!
One of the persons who responded negatively, Jeremy, the webmaster for another local music website, was greeted with the revocation of his e-mail account, directly the result of the efforts made by Michelle Bancroft. Posting his story to the Pheer.com me
sageboard, he received an outpouring of support by the regular posters to the board, resulting in numerous e-mail bombs on Ms. Bancroft’s account. Her response? Attempt to have the Pheer.com website shut down. Below is her e-mail to Pablo VanWinkle –
THIS IS MICHELLE BANCROFT, I EMAILED YOU LAST WEEK WITH A PROBLEM I WAS
HAVING WITH SOME ONE ON YOUR WEB SITE!!! I SPOKE TO PABLO, THERE IS A GUY
NAMED JEREMEY FROM THE PUNK HARD CORE SCENE IN YOUR MESSAGE BOARD EMAIL BOMBING ME WITH EMAILS FROM PORNO SITES AND HE IS HAVING EVERY ONE ON YOU MESSAGE BOARD THAT READS THE MESSAGES EMAIL ME AND CALL ME A CUNT!!!!!!! I HAD HIM REMOVED FROM HOTMAIL AND N
W I AM WARNING YOU........... I HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS OF HAVING YOUR WEB SITE SHUT DOWN IF THIS IS NOT STOPPED RIGHT AWAY, AND THE GUY WRITES ONE LAST MESSAGE TO EVERY ONE ON THE SITE THAT IT IS HIM SENDING THE EMAILS IN MY NAME TO THE KIDS THAT LOOK AT
HE MESSAGE BOARD... I WORK FOR A MAJOR NIGHT CLUB AND HE IS SLAMMING THE NAME ALL OVER THIS SITE,, I WILL BE BRINGING IN EVERY ONE I CAN TO STOP THIS SITE IF I DO NOT GET THIS GUY OFF OF MY BACK AND MY CLUBS BACK. HE HAS POSTED MY PHONE NUMBER AND EMAIL A
DRESS EVERY WHERE. AS YOU WILL REMEMBER I ASKE HIM TO DISREGUARD MY EMAIL ADDRESS IF I WAS ASKING FOR BANDS IN THE WRONG PLACE AND THIS KID HAS BEEN BLASTING ME EVERY DAY SINCE!!!!!! IT WILL STOP TODAY OR ME AND MY CLUB WILL COME DOWN ON YOU LIKE A TON OF
BRICKS!!!! THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW, AND I WILL GO TO WHAT EVER STEP NECESSARY TO SHUT YOU DOWN IF THGIS IS NOT STOPPED TODAY!!!!!! I AM FORWARDING YOU THE EMAILS AND THE POSTINGS FROM THIS GUY..I HAVE SENT YOU MY BAND SCHEDUELS FOR THE NEXT MONTH AND IT H
D BEEN DELETED IS THIS YOUR DOING OR DID JEREMEY EMAIL YOU AS ME A ND STOP THE LISTINGS????? I WILL NEVER USE THIS SITE AGAIN AND I WILL BE WATCHING THE POSTINGS LOOKING FOR JEREMEYS MESSAGE TO THE KIDS, AND THEN I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM THIS GUY AGAIN
R SEE HIS NAME OR I WILL BE SHUTTING YOU DOWN, THIS IS NOT A THREAT IT IS A PROMIS!!!!
MICHELLE BANCROFT
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU RESPONSE IF NO RESPONSE BY FRIDAY AFTERNOON, I WILL
BE DOING EVERYTHING IN MY POWER AS WELL AS MY CLUBS POWER TO SHUT YOU
DOWN!!!
In an attempt to reason with Ms. Bancroft, Pablo Van Winkle tried to speak with her online. Below is the transcript of their talk –
pablo: hello. pheer has nothing to do with jeremy nor the msgboard.
CHELL6999: IS THIS THE WEB MASTER
pablo: i removed daytonas shows because i do not agree with the $10 door charge when bands get near nothing
CHELL6999: HEY PABLO WHAT IS IT TO YOU IF WE CHARGE $10.00 THE BANDS
SEND OUT $5.00 FLYERS AND THE KIDS ONLY PAY $5.00 ANY WAY
pablo: its my personal opinion; the website is free of charge and of my time
CHELL6999: OK COOL BUT WHY LET THIS KID BLAST ME IM GOING TO PUT A
STOP TO IT
(continued)
pablo: i can add what shows i want. its that simple. obviously you can promote yourself as a major niteclub and dont need my support. i cannot control what someone does on an open forum like the msgboard
CHELL6999: THEN WHY IS IT HAPPENING
pablo: what i want to know is why you are trying to involve my website on this. do what you want with him, my website nor i have any involvement
CHELL6999: HELLLOOOOO ITS YOUR MESSAGE BOARD SHUT HIM UP AND I WILL SHUT UP THAT SIMPLE
pablo: thats not my responsibility, he can always come up with a new name
CHELL6999: I ONLY CAME TO HIM FOR A BAND SEARCH I ASKE HIM TO
DISREGUARD THE MESSAGE IF IT WAS WRONG AND HE SATRTED A WAR
pablo: yeah thats him, not me
pablo: "IT WILL STOP TODAY OR ME AND MY CLUB WILL COME DOWN ON YOU LIKE A TON OF BRICKS!!!! THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW, AND I WILL GO TO WHAT EVER STEP NECESSARY TO SHUT YOU DOWN "
pablo: its far from being against the law on my part because i am not the one spamming you. you need to get those facts straightened out
CHELL6999: YOUR SITE YOUR RESPONSIBLITY
pablo: no, the msgboard is not my responsibility. i cant control an open forum
CHELL6999: I DID IM WORKING WITH AOL AND OTHER WEB ATHORITIES AND
YOU NEED TO CHECK INTO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE MY LIFE IS BEING
THREATENED AND IT FALLS BACK ON YOU
pablo: it does not fall back on me
CHELL6999: CHECK AGAIN HAVE A NICE NIGHT SEE YOU IN CYBER SPACE
I TRIED AND I WILL PRINT THIS CONVERSATION FOR THE RECORDS
pablo: thats fine as will i
(Note – please ignore the horrendous spelling of Ms. Bancroft. It is clear that she is of limited intellectual power and while stupidity is a sin in my book, the issue here is that she’s an incorrigible bitch above and beyond her idiocy)
Ms. Bancroft as well as the ownership of Daytona’s Nightclub have clearly demonstrated a number of things:
First – the almighty dollar rules in their world, at the expense of others. Put bluntly, even most shows featuring international artists at the world famous 930 Club range between $8 and $10. In my 16 years in the hardcore scene, I have never seen a sho
containing ALL LOCAL bands for more than $8. Bands who bring in 300 paid admissions usually receive between $500 and $1000 in compensation. How much does Daytona’s pay similar bands? $40. In short, their concern is not for the artists who are paying t
eir bills with the customers they bring, but with the money they can rip young bands off with.
Second – Implicit in their greedy $10 admission price is the demonstration of their disregard for hardcore and punk music and their desire to exploit the scene itself. Daytona’s history shows that they have never supported the local hardcore and punk sce
e in any way whatever. In fact, longtime residents of the area who are also fans of punk and hardcore can only count a handful of national punk and hardcore to be featured at the club. It is clearly hardcore’s recent swing in popularity which has prompte
them to hold these shows in the first place.
Third – Their bully tactics are another clear-cut indicator of exactly what type of worthless white trash scum they are. Upon receiving any negative response to their will, they would rather attempt to shut down the area’s two most informative and useful
ebsites for punk and hardcore music, rather than attempting to reach out to the scene with those same websites. Clearly Jeremy and Pablo care more and do more for the local punk and hardcore music scene than anyone at Daytona’s will ever do, much less is
willing to do.
I call for all bands, record labels, booking agencies, management companies and music fans to totally and completely BOYCOTT DAYTONA’S. It is plain and easy to see that the scene is no concern of theirs, just the money they can make exploiting it. This
rea has too many legitimate, DIY show spaces and clubs who are supportive of the scene and ethical in their business practices for people to have to waste their time with the likes of Michelle Bancroft. Bands – do not play there. Fans – do not go there.
Help rid the scene of walking, talking turds like the people at Daytona’s.
Thank you for spending the time to read this,
Karl Groves
For a list of other clubs to play or see bands, write to me at P.O. Box 1803, Glen Burnie MD 21060 or email me at karlcore@recoilrecords.com
01/27/00 07:53:30
| Name: ska punk fest |
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Phantasmagoria local ska fest jan 30th all ages CHEAP! 6$ more band sthen any other show that day!! support the LOCAL scene!!! 2-6pm Smizokes Masterplan plan nine usa dr. zauis Mop attack
10/07/99 03:50:42
| Name: Cristl Spicer |
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You guys kick ass! Woo Hoo, for DC and B-More. I can't find any Hardcore Shows lately, but than again I only look in Reptilian Records for shows. Last year the Capitol Ballroom had them all the time (Agnostic Front, VOD, Earth Crisis) but recently I just
catch Otto Bar punk shows. So keep me informed if you hear of anything or you guys are playing, we shall party!
08/08/99 16:31:07
| Name: *Heidi* |
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hey guys!! i am doin my damndest to get you up in MA!!! Chris, BE PATIENT!!!!!! scene is goin through tons o' changes up here, i promise to get you up here REAL soon!!
keepin it real on da east side yo..
loveyouall.. *heidi*
08/01/99 17:22:43
| Name: ...tem... |
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whats up. check out the de nada page.
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~twub/denada/denada.html
later.
07/15/99 03:41:28
| Name: ReTaRd |
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TEAR IT DOWN kicks fuckin ass baby yea! wuts up fellas. lemme know when u all play a show again and ill be there. aight keep it real. lata
ReTaRd
06/08/99 03:55:21
| Name: brian kerley |
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yo doug! tis i, brion. i have heard good things about tear it down. i am mad looking forward to our show w/ 25 ta life, foresight, divulsion, fda, emerge(their demo rocks!), and my band disfigure at the ruritan center august 6th...it will rock. i need a t
ar it down demo.
peace! 4unity!
06/06/99 18:37:43
| Name: nikki sixx |
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what up kids. i just found your page. pretty nice but you need some pics. come check out our page. it kinds sucks but oh well. doug we gotta play a show with you guys. hey everyone come out on june 20th for the code blue cd release show at the ruritan in
avidsonville. its like 7 or 8 bands for $5. its gonna be bangin yo. aiight. peace out. -06
06/04/99 18:29:15
| Name: Kim Hazelton |
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Hey chris! this is awesome. it doesn't have pictures though. you should add some. it's still cool...cheerio!
Kim
05/25/99 01:12:33
| Name: Ryan215 |
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maryland hardcore, cool shit, hope to see you guys live sometime. peace
05/23/99 00:24:40
| Name: rebecca |
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hey i never heard you, but it sounds like you got a real promising band!! keep in touch!!
05/22/99 06:27:21
| Name: Irina |
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Hi! Have a nice weekend....
05/22/99 06:26:49
| Name: Irina |
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05/19/99 04:01:05
| Name: Chris |
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Yo What's up Chris and Hardcore Doug?!? Me? Just chillin...the site looks awesome and hope we could play together sometime that or I will definitely have to come to your shows. Just email me when and where and I will do my best to b there. stay true
Chris
05/18/99 21:22:27
| Name: Julaine |
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Hi guys, great site! (nice bio chrisitdown)Wheres merchandice?-Jul
05/18/99 15:31:34
| Name: Liza |
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Chris, I love you man! I mean your awsome-
I love your shows-
Email me at
xxxlizaxxx@hotmail.com, maybe we could hook up sometime ;)
luvya
liza
05/14/99 21:08:41
| Name: Bobby |
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Hey chris whats up, I see you signed our guest book (Pre<->Skewl) so I'm returning the favor and also to say that I support HardCore, Thank you and have a good day, Bobby
05/12/99 19:37:28
| Name: cole code blue. |
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yo whattup? this is cole, i saw that chris signed the GB, so i'm just repaying the favor. um, yeah, pat moved and has no number, so if you wanna get in contact with us e-mail me. aiight, i'm dippin. peace.
04/27/99 19:22:30
| Name: Kurt |
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Hey, what up Chris? The link is on the guestbook, and you're site's looking good, let me know what kind of background you're looking for....
Kurt...
04/23/99 02:29:09
| Name: Bill GARDINER |
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Cris, my name is NOT Bill Bulky!! Don't ever write that on anything again
04/23/99 02:28:01
| Name: Bill GARDINER |
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Cris, my name is NOT Bill Bulky!! Don't ever write that on anything again
04/19/99 16:50:14
| Name: STOCKMAN |
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OH TEAR IT DOWN, WHATS NEXT READYING FOR UTOPIA AND PLANET PROBLEMS? WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO PLAY ANOTHER SHOW ???
MUCH LOVE JOHN
03/28/99 20:08:59
| Name: Paul |
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Sounds like a great band! Interesting! "Support your local hardcore" April 15th @ The Vault (in Baltimore) - 1/4 Inch Microbomb & OS101. Hope to see you guys there - I'll see you guys on the 9th! Take care!
03/26/99 16:17:13
| Name: Dave Palmer(shameface) |
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Come see TEAR IT DOWN, CASTASIDE, SHAMEFACE, MAD BEEF, and more fri april 9th. call (301) 989-4676 x530 for details
03/25/99 15:56:31
| Name: dave |
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whats up guys... hope the show with you works out...it'll rock.... anyway....keep it real
check out the shameface page folks
03/20/99 14:14:52
| Name: A Lindmark |
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Hi there ,keep up the good work and please visit Our homepage(Lineout Homepage)
03/17/99 21:54:34
| Name: St. Vincent |
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hardcore is god chris wit tha hardcore vocals n dougee tearin up wit tha bass.They are the Bomb!!!
03/15/99 17:50:46
| Name: maggie |
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cool