Subject: Night Hag News?
There I was over at "Brand X" (Alt.folklore.science) hoping to chat
about what we will do with the worlds teeming populations when I had the
bored wherewithall to actually look at the follow ups to a rather
repugnant posting, which I though might be another specie of lightbulb
joke.
As it turns out, the word Grey and -Reticulo- (Greys have somehow taken
on the name Zeta Reticuli) are both to be found within the breadth of
two adjacent postings. Do you suppose my spleen, then, resents me
sleeping on my arm right after a large meal?
Dreaming the "Dreams of a Rarebit Fiend", (anyone ever see that cartoon
strip?)...
*****
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997
Subject: Re: Another tack on love spells...
Perhaps it is worth adding to the commendable comments already posted
about ethics in love magic, and the likely way to expect the
paraphernalia to draw attention, that I encountered some overlap between
love magic and alertness- I believe it was Borage.
This started me thinking about certain things one can do magically to
themselves to more easily be the recipient of love, as the example given
seems to hinge on the would-be recipient's alertness and observance of
opportunity. Many of the fragrances already suggested might work on both
parties; the extreme and humorous example has become that Coffee is a
"love charm", because it kept so and so from napping on the bus when the
person of their dreams got on and sat next to them.
(Perhaps I should add while I think of it, that while it may sound
condescending and mischevious, perhaps, my own medicine bag has grown
from this observation about Borage to contain a love charm for drunken
drivers who cannot be disuaded from diving: 'Now I'm gonna pin this
sachet of
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Hmm...Wise comments from a Keeper of Arcana.
Regarding the bitter herbs (the Maror and many other well-known bitters
do not likely contain signifiant alkaloids, incidentally) I will not
rule out that one witnesses divine intervention if the participants in
question have been unharmed by this. (I have, however, been personally
instructed
OFTEN that no one is to say what God Will do, and therefore would not
knowingly gamble in this matter).
As to when should the Dotorine of Signaures not be applied? I have said
previously that there may be sustantial indication that the larger
processs is not even a voluntary one. Maybe it will yet prove to be a
question of when one's subconscious should cease and desist engineering
correspondences into endless herivorous hypochondria. (and or that
mater, when should magick cease and desist as
well.
This also leaving it perhaps a perrougetive of practitoners to never
cease and desist, in hopes of intepreting all signature values before
someone begins to expess these values by accidental and destructive
public psychodrama. Those familiar with Eliphas Levi might know I have
some grouds to take the example here of Anita Bryant and call it a
full-fledged syndrome. (I have noticed the Logos in botannicals far less
restrained than I in attending the disproprotionate scale of issues
surrounding the KKK, if only as incident to generic attendance of
"hotheads".It is more particularly, I personally think, the Klan's
specific spiritual and medical issues that are desribed.) Genus
Cycnoches, family Orchidacae.
"...is this the value of our existance, should we proclaim with such
persistance?.." The Fixx, "Stand or Fall", rather out of context of
course...
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997
Subject: Not Tonight, Ti, I Have a Royal Headache
DTTAH (Don't try this at home) but aspirin is an interesting thing (If
only intended for Signaturist Preists of Chronos and Apollo
I do not know exactly how this reflects on the Egyptians, but I noticed
a pattern in the funerary adornments of Tutanhkamen (Tetankhamun, isn't
it? That WAS his cartouche on the inside of the dust jacket of
Budge's_Egypian Magic_? -Love that lost earring tale too, what a load of
euphemistic poppycock!) that looked like they were all painkillers,
including Willow (aspirin), except the safest and sanest would be now
the least well known (speculation). Being a medical matter, second
opinions, please.
BTW can anyone tell me what the sodium sulfate was doing in the pyramids
or will I be left to speculate they were "upgrading" Mandrake (see
Prunella species, "Heal- All" ) and otherwise "Bubble bubble toil and
trouble" like a good Shakespearian witch?
Peace!
*****
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
Subject: Theories: Doctorine of Signatures; Was..
This is one of several dozen possible explanations.
Actually some of the Greek philosophers have ideas that lend themselves
perhaps better than psychology, Anaxagoras comes to mind and I hope not
mistakenly, but in the context of the previous communication, while the
mind may not be able to stop generating the correpondences internally,
the modification of the biochemistry to MAKE certain they are
nutitionally or pharmacologically valid may be a different matter, and
the there is the idea that it may have evolved to the point where
survivalist generalisms hitch-hike on the most general biochemical
systems. In the case of Cycnoches I could cite all kinds of
biochemicals, but I can also cite phosphorus, phosphorus, phosphorus
just as validly, if I am not mistaken; conversely,what makes the system
more versatile also stands to make it more complicated.
Re: "She is drowning in the sea in which you swim"
Maybe I shouldn't touch anything so inherently Protean, but that's the
problem exactly. Learning these by experience is almost unthinkable.
Signaturists would be the interpreters of other people subconciousness,
same as tellers and seers and what not, because most people just do not
seem to have these as functions in the concious mind, period. In the
most optimistic model, because I am here learning by sign what some use
are, maybe some out there is saved from learning the hard way. I do not
know. Maybe Anita has been cured by Gurudas' writing a book? I don't do
Gestalt, collectives or synchronicity, personally, but..
I think if correspodence itself is insufficient, that is where
assimilation of certain gross matter comes in then. I have occasionally
heard of visualizing food being fattening; I don't hear much about
living off archetypes.
Oh, and sometimes flowers are just flowers, especially when all is said
and done. But I hear that some may be endangered, though, because no one
sees enough in them, if you will pardon a double-etendre. Imagine
that...
I respectfully hope I have transcended the rhetorical.
Now go complain to Paracelsus and those silly alchemists, I'm just the
new kid... :-) :-) :-)
*****
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
Subject: Re: Theories: Doctorine of Signatures; Was...
Re:"She is drowning in the sea in which you swim"
again; maybe FWIW I shoud try take to the bull by the horns here. What
must seem like unfathomable hypochondria here, for those not practised
at serendipitously salvaging this and yukking their way thru morbid old
Med School with it, is in marked contast to the impression I got about
Indigenous culture where "everything is medicine"; mass indoctorination
(i.e., they were all doctors) theoretically resulted in health benefits
itself, a relaxed state opposite to having your blood pressure go way up
because good doctors are hard to find nowdays and what's the government
doing to my Medicare this week, or what ever neo-iatrogenic ill is
brought on by the bill. (And you have heard, yes, no, that the price of
liquor alone is driving moi to drink?) Thus, more hypochondria is less
hypochondria, and sometimes correspondences alone DO suffice. Which
leaves more time for whatever it is that alchemists rilly do...
Chronos "Quack" Apollonios ChroniApolloni@webbed.feet.tv.net:-)
*****
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
Subject: Re: Magickal Tools and Pagan vs. Ceremonial Magick
Proof of this? Oh come off it! :-) if being "99.9%" evasive weren't a
essential to the "Great Ones" as breathing, there would be no Arcana, I
could carry my magical library from place to place (no Exodus jokes, not
funny. Here's one, they were kept in bondage to STIMULATE THEIR
INTUITIONS AND ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF INDEPENDENT REASONING)
without a
truck, and I'd be materializing a Pop Tart right now. Waite must have
passed a kidney stone just getting it in his Tarot book once, not what
they are for, but at least one thing that they are not for. Hoist 'em by
their own petards, someone, indeed, must have mixed up several elements
themselves to be so pathologically cloak and dagger. Oh, no it's
contagious, so: they are somewhere between the rose and the thorn (Hint:
do their charts) perhaps? Good thing we have this "Glasnost" or we'd
have to give a Nobel prize to mystics for inventing and perfecting
AMORPHOUS b.s., IMHO.
Peace
Chronos "Woke Up Cranky" Apollonios
*****
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
Subject: Re: Moon Gods
(Preface: I'll "Moon" ya, hardy har har..
Two things that may be expeditious to do are to clutch at straws and
look at the context. Wolf Apollo, who is blatantly lunar is, regaded as
an older form even by Ancients. Joseph Campbell has basically this to
say, in "Primitive Mythology" also, considering it "ridiculous to press
the contrast of the feminine fire and the masculine bolt on back to a
couple of mythogenetic zones of about 400,000 B.C." Outside of "Deities
Proper" there occur many
folk tales, such as African or Native American, whose masculine
charachters are lunar, we can of course try to consider that they are
degraded forms of more deific and pronounced, and less lunar-
"attributed" or "associated", charachters.
It also quickly becomes obvious that vacancies in this realm may owe it
largely to a rather indeterminate nature of the lunar itself. It is as
easy to haul off and attribute the androgynous to the actual moon sign
itself in Astrology, as opposed to Libra, and perhaps more so.Thus
having made Solar Gods out of Lunar ones, we cannot necessarily be sure
that the change is permanent, philosophically speaking.
Curiously, the Saturnian element has also been subject to indeterminance
at a number of points. Thus we have a degree of freedom to explore.
Beginning with Saturn, it is perhaps most obvious to say that the
crescent moon is the sickle of Chronos. Saturn hs been "solarized and
de-solarized" in "saturn, a better sun" and re-lunarized in that
"Drawing down the Moon", and not Saturn, will prevail, even if the
ritual involves such Capricornian
paraphernalia as a cauldron, which is again biased more feminine and
fertile, like the Masculine lunar hare symbol.
The Artemisian temple in Ephesos, while served by Chronosian priests,
has in its iconograpy rather the Lunar opposite; the streams winding
around it form the sign of Cancer (supporting Frazier that it is above
all else a children's school.) We are not told of preists of Lunar
Apollo, so it is (a lunar) Chronos who may be the logical evolution.
The eymology of Hyakinthos also implies a remnant of traditions of Lunar
Wolf Apollo but seem to branch to Artemis-Cynthia and an acknowledgment
of lunar Thoth, inventor of writing (AI AI: the Hyacinth is "Written
on"; it is rightly ruled largely by (a Lunar) Capricorn for also being
of dubious fitness for ingesion).
The shortest justification I can conjure of why it is common to
associate Saturn and the moon is: "A practical man, feeds many sons";
longer fertility rationale center around the abundance of the harvest. I
scacely see it remaked upon that the fertile (Lunar) Corn King (Saturn)
is typically Capricornan elusive, and Moon-cusp-Leo, a distant parent.
Perhaps it is also noteworthy that these permutaive Liberties are not
uncommon to have to take with rigid classical remants; nowhere do I find
Literary indication of a substantial relationship between Zeus and
Demeter, in the way that is most obvious because the Aegis, or goatskin
sheild is QUITE obviously an electrophorus, which, statically charged
with the Lightning of Zeus, performs the all-important seperation of
seed from chaff by static cling. Some ancient remain still awaits
discovery, of quite a story indeed, no doubt, even withstanding
interpretions of what is intact. Thus even the authenticity of a Lunar
Zeus is not outlandish, since the implications are FAR from retorical.
Okay, there's the bottom of the barrell. What's on top, y'all? Oh, BTW:
From A.E. Thierens (title previously posted)
Sumerian A KU= Babylonian-Assyrian Sin (pg 20)
(well, AKU-AKU to ye too, hardy har har)
*****
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
Subject: How to Walk on Water: Oriental Occultism
I mentioned Idries Shah in my "Not Tonight... "Tutenkhamen" post but I
have "Oriental Magic"
by Shah and it is definitely BBDB (Browse or Borrow, Don't Buy) IMHO,
but one of the redeemable features an immorality formula consisting of
feeding magical incantations on a parchment to a silverfish which is
then supposed to break out in a rainbow of eixir or somethng like that.
I suspect that it has more to do with the chemisry of the ink and of the
insect (see insct biochemisry phenethyl derivatives, indole derivatives
re: bearing on hGF Human Growth Factor promotion
Now the trouble is, should I believe Shah? No only a bad book, but
Orientals promised us this with pine nuts and okay, so Pycnogenol, and
okay, so Japanese white pine, Pinus parvifloria, [sic? parviflora or
parvifolia probably?] has been cited for ant-HIV activity, (Journal ref:
AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses 1990 Feb; 6(2):205-217
Further possible evidence that Orientals might commonly suffer the same
fatherly mischief disease caught by Greek fishermen (The Occult version
of "Pull my finger, [phhhht!](fart)-aka leg-pulling) with
felinomorphicized sea-"deities", comes in the heartbreaking form of
suspicions that when "Chinese Alchemy" by J.C. Cooper says,"The sap of
Juniper, if spread on the soles of the feet, enables one to walk on
water" and even other fabulous powers of a worthy preist of Glaucos,
that maybe there is only the sliver of truth in it that Juniper
correctly and safely handled can expedite respiration somewhat if
absolutely neccessary, especially around risk of drowning (ie spread on
soles of feet? ie use like mugwort? ie it is a Moxa?)
Catch a theif tricks with Moxa (Opie/Tatum was it? See Posts: Divining
Lost Objects. I have lost the book! it had "superstition" in the title I
know that)) from Japan are interesting and again, unlikely, IMHO;
half-truth is: dogs can trace moxa on your stolen household objects, it
fortifies the posse, or it helps you stay up one night to make a
replacement?
So what kinds of experiences do others have with this kind of
Literature?
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