Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:37:55 -0700
Subject: Re: OH:Killer meme applications
HA! most of us don't even understand our own symbols anymore, silly.
That's the blasted problem!!!
I would trade tit for tat for this exquisite example the Memetic
Gay-Bashing of Anita Bryant which Gurudas has burnt into my awareness.
If she had only Known what she was doing symbolically, or got the joke
about *fruit* that she was playing on herself, while others suffered
it...
So if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it
make a meme, or just a bad example about observer-created reality?
Peace!
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:08:55 -0700
Subject: Tricksters & Trickster Gods
hmmm, pranks and trickster gods might
make interesting list subjects.
Hopefully,
In my traditions, it was the Gods and the literary characters who
suffered the prat falls, largely so that real mortals wouldn't have
to... I don't suppose other traditions are really different, except at
times of any reverence to deities... likewise of course the Native
American tricksters are commonly considered Negative cultural-heroes,
those who we do Not emulate.
Maybe Tricksters and a real lifetime of not emulating them Are good
practice for resisting retaliating and not letting negativity become
contagious as it all too easily does? But I will have some puckish Wolf/
Coyote thing about how it is acceptable to tirade to see how well others
take it, as part of getting to know them, and that would be sheer and
utter b.s. at the moment, even though I burn with the question for how
someone can ever decide that the way grown people act when they are ill,
tired and p*ssy is the way that they really are, and that any good
things were all just an act? I have nothing to say at the moment other
than total honesty and being Diligently yourself might be a lot safer
than dabbling in illusions, if you treasure what really matters...
At a higher level, part of the Trickstery is actual shape-shifting, and
the philosophies of what is really what and who is really who can take
on considerable depth here. (What are you really if you can be anything,
and how do you really know who or what you're sleeping with!
There Are deep and lasting answers at the heart of it, if anyone would
like to go there... just nothing to make people totally perfect, I
suppose...?...
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:25:56 -0700
Subject: Re: A question on memetics
I think you understand correctly, although I have been already driving
at memetics being ultimately the way in which ALL information is
transmitted, even apart form human conciousness. I have suggested plants
and minerals for example as carriers and receivers... I will not be
surprised if physics streamlined to "Information and Energy" could have
Meme substituted for the word Information.
Mmm, hmm, rather sharp on speaking of the "meme-meme", ie,
meta-meme, and will hopefully reward an intelligent question with an
intellegent answer any second now. I may be a little confused here by
striving and struggling to employ concepts like David Bohm's "Implicate
and Explicate Order" onto the "meta" function...
I am also doing what newbies do with a foreign race, and tripping over
trying to generalize if they are *all friendly*...
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:46:37 -0700
Subject: OH: Causal Linkages & Castaneda
In the previous discussion on Casual/Causal Linkages, perhaps attention
should have been payed to the Castaneda texts... again, not that I think
Carlos isn't a naughty Coyote who cannot be taken without a large grain
of Salt Woman, but the incessant references to fibers of energy or
whatever are correspondent to similar sounding things in the other
examples. I do feel that this is a remarkable exercise in this area,
even if many of these turn out to be more mundane (simply magnetic
flux?) or arbitrary in the sense that they are self-created, observer
created, subjective and quite possibly only in the eye of the beholder
in many cases, and could as easily and as meaningfully appear as bread
crumbs or marbles if you wished.
(Indeed I have never heard anyone wonder if auras are there or not when
no one is looking for them, or heard them subjected to scrutiny in the
context of observer created reality)
(It may be the most unfortunate of oversights in this realm to overlook
that the Eagle trying to eat one's subtle self is merely the Earth's
magnetic feild probably reabsorbing borrowed magnetic flux which is Not
even clearly the self but yet remains to be proved if what couples body
to soul; hopefully
And then I will have to stop to wonder if occult materialization devices
can read what's good for you off your aura, giving early warnings like
Iridology, if your aura is comprised of such filaments (I actually
pulled out & coined "Heissenberg Ion" here, that is, if you know where
the Sodium is and how fast it's going, how do you have any idea where
the Chlorine is, it could be outside playing in the yard, hence the
three or four inches away form the body for a dielectric differential
whatzit is nothing)
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:11:36 -0700
Subject: Re: A question on memetics
You know with a title like "Virus of the Mind"
And anytime they are causing anything form confusion through torment, it
may mean antagonization of ATP, the molecule of life,
giving them too much incommon with the most sordid pictures you could
possibly paint of Candidiasis, or probably anything else. (I swear if we
actually had brains left we would Never let our kids sign up for Phys Ed
just because of the communal showering, at least not without a second
thought, and probably cut off our hands before giving them sugar.)
But then I'd have to talk about how humans only eat because the first
thing any microorganism wants to do to a Stable human form is to cause
it to break down and start initiating the process of assimilation and
relacement, and the second thing it wants to do is initiate birth of
woman. What it gets is a warm pile of dung to be sucessful in, and
humans born infected... in the long run, it gets our corpses for a warm pile of dung to be successful in, which is something at least that the great and brilliant Theosophists implied in one of their smaller words…
And there are just too many farmers out there to talk about all this,
mind you, and they all have shotguns,
so I will not talk about those studies where if you do not feed your
intestinal flora the right grit of bran muffins, they will secrete
Oestrogen, in men or women... sounds suspicous to me, izzat catabolic
then or just diabolic?
No one wants to go there, right? Probably in one of those
Blame-it-All-On-Your-Thyroids books, I'll have to dig up the photocopys.
Might be Langer and Scheer, and Dr. Bella Broda or Broda Bella or Bella
Lugosi or something... if you must...
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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