Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:18:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Penatium Issue
Hmm, or an Unreality?
This is a tough one for me, it really reminds me of the episode of Trek
NG where *Reg* thought he had transporter psychosis and there were some
survivors actually existing in the matter stream, and they happened to
end up looking like giant worms. I suppose I'd get too spooky if I dwell
on that or the *invariable, unyeilding* Abiogenesis of Acari (Andew
Crosse/ Michael Faraday)... But I could imagine the ancients using
Superimposition with wry humor here, even allowing or creating
non-physical form labels, (you know, the matter comes from the ground so
the bundle takes the form of a worm or other burrowing thing, like
mouse; weasel is popular in some Native American iconographies, the Hopi
have applid it to birth/ labor.) And this could also be a pre-ordainment
of the Logos ot the macrocosm/microcosm that these functions and forms
are *inextricably* linked.
I think a lot more depth could come out the Fates this way, that is
supportive mythos here, but this also tends in the direction of *Natural
Birth*, the most fundamental allusion here is that these systems have
been used with the functional understanding (*as if* or *if* not *as*?)
that these daily household items being materialized are actually made
the same way in which living creatures are, *basically*, which is
another re-iteration of what I suggest about *Natural childbirth* that
is it a very slow form of Magical materialization itself...
I think maybe I will have another look at the Quantum statistics of this
flux or threads...
I know there's a lot of hints of interconversion of compressed quantum
matter emanation and water, for example where "Stygian water" would come
from, and the myth of the Fountain Hippocrene suggests some solutions,
I think... Not inappropriately, Silphium is also a cup plant and holds
rainwater in it's leaves...
Many thanks for your input on Magnetic plants, etc; I think you're
remarkably astute and it is Great to be connecting!
I am also noticing where these two areas begin to overlap, the
probability threads and the magnetic plants... Mugwort is at least one
magnetic plant strongly contraindicated during pregnancy.
Peace!
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:09:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Magnetic Plants and Other Things…
Yeah, *impossibility* is a good meme screen, I think when people are
kids, just not being able to have x is a good way to start up the
sarcasm to begin a life of talking back to and ridiculing the television
and any advertising memes. I think *satire and parody* (in the modern
sense) have helped me a little too...
This post is interesting because it's making me think of blockages in
the body *as* depressions in a space-time feild, and that can go to some
strange Trek places too; on the other hand, it looks pretty simple as
is, and Maybe with the Penatium thing I can just simplify to focus on
that, where the Probability Cannot exist; this is sort of the idea, if
these threads are Magnetic Flux, that they *Cannot* maintain in the
presence of heat or flame.
I think depression in space time can be situated as matter-traps for
materialization quite readily also, and maybe the point of *ancient
hunters* digging pits to *trap animals* has more to do again with the
harnessing of gravity to create Replicas of food animals who were never
alive and never suffered.
I am struggling a little with probablity threads since it seems like
I've been envisioning that they concentrate where significant events
happen rather than the inverse... vortex-forms collating and cohering
them (See Crowley's Thoth Tarot, "Lust" etc) and I'm starting to
sound like David Bohm on black holes/ singularities. He (Bohm=God) once
said in Omni that if a black hole pops up a Pepsi sign, don't be
surprised.)
But we are also probably talking about Mana in other words, too, which
already has a reputation for working with Positive And Negative
values... so extremes of *Probability Density* may be viable with
similar irrespectiveness... and The Pauli Exclusion principle may have a
few miles left on it too, maybe, and even "The Quantum Self" by Danah
Zohar? Won't reccommend owning it, but reading it...
FWIW, I take the Turn Key signature of Mugwort (The leaves are tweaked
upside down to expose the white undersides as a trail marker *and so*
magick books say it is a lock-picking herb) as also a sign pertaining to
feild inversions. (i.e. you might pick a lock by collapsing the magnetic
feild representing the probability state of being locked? There Are
somewhat easier ways to look at it) Quite interesting how this might
unfold, considering how many apparently non-magnetic plants seem to have
the white undersides. I think I have collected several hundred just for
this very reason, and it may very well prove that the power is imply
*more latent* in the others... I think I alluded to a *Spinor Coherer*
being functionally inherent in Sagebrush smoke, probably with a small
amount of skill applied for some purposes... I think of this also as a
potential coherer/ collator of *threads* or *flux*...
it may even be, for magic's sakes Synonymous wth singularity? or it is
*Singularizer* ???...
BTW: I flew a quote from myself when we started OH, that "Fire Burning
Backwards, Creates"; It is Saturn's (Chronos, you may refer to my Guild
as *Time Lords*, hee hee hee) day, and I think of the merits of, "Fire
Burning Backwards, Is Damn Fast, Too!"
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 15:40:51 -0700
Subject: OH: Re: Hi Again, and Past Lives
Hi yourself!
An interesting (and romantic!) vision, I do not encounter many
who have such an expression that
seems to assure us there really is such a thing a *THE One* kind of
soul-mate. I wish more people had the optimism and tenacity!
Anyway, I was out in my garden where more Carnations seem to be
blooming every minute, and I noticed many patterns in the fancier
flowers that look like the swirlings of colors as you describe them
beginning... (I also notice the buds tend to twist open, which has
additional meaning, for this purpose, the spiralling or rotation in the
dream. There are some Greco-Roman overtones, too I think, but very
subtle, and very rich.
I should have suspected that Greek birth customs would
inevitably reflect the African ones; thank you!)... I am
sure that others will recognize the trickster pun, of Carnation and
Reincarnation rearing it's beautiful head again, in very much the sense
of the Trickster meaning of dream symbols that is in "Dreaming With the
Wheel" by Sun Bear, e.a.
(There seem to be so many of these Carnations anymore they could
almost symbolize diversity and individuality... *Almost*...)
This is a true shamanic vision, obviously, it is possessed of
Remarkable texture and richness; it has many meanings which only time
and patience can unfold for most?
Anyway, I am trying to pass myself off as a Shaman; I thought
I'd better exercize my responsibility to report these observations in
the *Medicines* to my *Tribe*...
I'd love to hear more about exactly what kind of philosopical
disposition towards soul-mates and reincarnation produced or welcomed
such a vision, if you can find the time... (I'd guess this would be
rather ideosyncratic from someone who believes that soul-mates can be
*just anyone*?)... much of this is still a mystery to me, but FWIW this
*seems* to very closely match my own view...
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:11:43 -0700
Subject: Re: OH: Re: Hi Again, and Past Lives
I have been told I have been a sucessful *contradiction in terms* for a
few thousands year now... Having been not always one and always one I
suppose it comes a bit natural... Time is such a slippery animal...
Um, keep in mind that my kind of *seeing* is more like what Don Juan
once described in Carlos Castanda, regarding the dim and distant past, I
just have "knowings" and this sense isn't infallible in Don Juan's case
either, he really turned up some horrible ideas about the ancient
"Toltecs"... it is one of the few things I have been able to teach
myself... And I use botanicals occasionally to aid me: Lilac, Jasmine,
maybe Heliotrope...
Having said that, if you extrapolate from the birth story in the Uranos
lineage, where cymbals are crashed to cover the sound of the baby's
birth, you get into some places where the ancient Greek women may have
been squeamish, not vain, mind you, but squeamish, about letting others
witness them giving birth.
It is a long and eternally morally troublesome story, almost
preposterous, but one of the places it goes is Grecian women having
water babies and for certain reasons coloring the water. I don't know if
that's true, but if it is, I should have seen the possible parallel
between that and a tribe of Africans who have rituals designed to
produce far memory in their children as young as posible, it involves a
red pigment also, depending how you are at reading in actual cause and
effect stuff... or what it might be, or what might be in it
chemically...
I have some ethnobotanical citations for things that promote good sense
in aspiring witch doctors and so forth, that seem quite possibly
similar. Even reports of African women using cow urine to bathe babies,
besides allegedly antiseptic, may also provide some of the same kinds of
chemical in ritual, I do not know of this intent however. I am afraid I
am not much an expert on African customs, I actually looked far and wide
for few memorable nuggets when I studied...
It seems easier to substantiate the birth customs in Herculaneum for
example, women apparently might have had natural births in steamrooms,
weaning the baby away form warm humidity instead of doing it abruptly.
The Breasted Neptune is found in the art there, which I take to be it's
label.
I have been visited by *the Muse* with a much more elaborate tale of the
birth of Chronos than is found in myth; for example he was to be born
near a stream where his mother could wash him, but wolves came, and she
got in a boat tied to a post, floating out of the reach of them and gave
birth in it, and the waves rocked the baby to sleep. I have some White
Mugworts who oblige this by forming leaves like boats.
Ivy, and an Aristolochia specie, a Birthwort, which Ovid cites for
birthing, seem to try to involve themselves here somehow. The
Aristolochias contain a plant that is sort of a temporal anomaly, having
looked like a swan or something since long before there were swans
supposedly. Sorry, Mr. Darwin. Temporal anomaly is a common denominator
of the two however.
I cannot seem to assure myself entirely that any of these are outright
truth, or whether they are allegorical truths, or both. I am sure they
are significant...
At any rate, their medicine was certainly far more developed than Anyone
seems willing to give them credit for that I am aware of.
In regards to soul mates, maybe the book "The Quantum Self" by Danah
Zohar would prove more valuable than I sometimes think. As long as no
one takes it Too literally...
At one point, my clearest image of the process is a circular current
which exceeds a limit cycle, like the models in the Chaos books, and
then there are two from it. I vaguely recall my illustration to have
turned out to be a traditional one, rather like the yin-yang,
if I did not borrow it from that
author outright. but it has been a long time...
The only separation that strikes me as having meaning is that initial
one which creates two from one...
Sorry, didn't mean to imply you needed an interpreter! If you stick to
the idea that shamanic visions will inevitably try to further medicine,
the cheapest dream dictionary and anything on symbols outside of Jung
can also go a long way to lending clarity. Morphologically, any old high
school biology book for a quarter will also be a formidable thing...
..at least, in my experience... About all else is looking through flower
books for pictures that suggest these ideas in some form if you can do
alot of gardending... Or browsing other people's gardens or nursery
lots... and weeding out things that herbals say are risky.
Thanks for asking.
Peace!
Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~Fight World Hunger, Give Seeds, the Gift that Keeps on Giving! The World Seed Fund, c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/ 1029 Lawrence St., Port Townsend, WA 98368. Donations accepted include Seeds; write for details.
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