> > Hellish Ideas
> > > ISKCON GOVERNING BODY COMMISSION SOCIETY
> > > MINUTES OF THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING OF
> > > THE ISKCON GBC BODY SRI DHAM MAYAPURA,
> > > FEBRUARY 5 -16, 1999
> > > RESOLUTIONS:
> > > 504. [VISION AND GOAL] VARNASRAMA DHARMA
> > > AND CARE FOR DEVOTEES
> > > Whereas Srila Prabhupada repeatedly and
> > > consistently advocated the implementation
> > > of Varnasrama as the panacea for all of
> > > societies social imbalances, and
> > > Whereas Srila Prabhupada instructed that
> > > Varnasrama must be implemented within
> > > ISKCON,
> > > It is resolved THAT as a humble beginning of
> > > the process of implementing Daivi-varnasrama
> > > within ISKCON, the GBC Body emphasizes
> > > the need to care for devotees in the
> > > following fundamental areas:
> > > Children
> > > Women
> > > Elderly
> > > Brahmanas
> > > Cows
> > Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 16 pg. 265, October
> > 16, 1975, Johannesburg:
> > Prabhupada: No, no, beginning, Krsna. Why don't you read
> > Bhagavad-gita? You don't know?
> > Harikesa: No, no. Yes.
> > Prabhupada: What is the social arrangement? What is that?
> > Harikesa: That Krsna created the four orders.
> > Prabhupada: Yes. So you make that four orders,
> > and then society will be in order. But you
> > are not taking Krsna's advice. You are
> > manufacturing your hellish ideas.
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Dear Prabhus
> > Please accept my respectful obeisances.
> > All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
> > Have I committed any offenses,
> > taken any quotes out of context,
> > made any mistakes, and/or
> > done anything I shouldn't have?
> > If so, I'm sorry.
> > Aspiring to be the sincere
> > servant of the servant,
> > Yours Truly,
> > Gauranga Prema Dasa
> > Hare Krsna
Subject: Re: Hellish Ideas
Date: Thu, Apr 1 1999 03:00
From: Pita das
> Dear Gauranga Prema Prabhuji,
> We even if we were Mahabagavat Greatly advanced devottees
> of Krishna would have a very difficult time even injecting the
> proper path for ISKCON to take as its not the right
> time for them.
Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:
Hari-sauri: At this time should we try to introduce it in our centers or not?
Prabhupada: Always we shall try. Human society will be always there. We have to serve them, para-upakara. We have to keep them in the right position.
Hari-sauri: I just remember two or three years ago there was a thing... A pamphlet came out about introducing the varnashrama system in the society, but actually nothing came of it.
Prabhupada: Yes. That time was not right. Now you can do something.
> There is so many foundation problems they have and my advice
> is to go to the essence of Krishna Consciousness in other word
> hearing and chanting topics of Krishna and Shree Chaitanya
> Mahaprabhu. Begging him to be able to chant nice japa.
> When we do this prefectly then we can go into the
> other areas such as establishing Varashrama
> dhrama.
Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:
Hari-sauri: But in Caitanya Mahaprabhu's practical preaching He only induced them to chant.
Prabhupada: That is not possible for ordinary man.
Hari-sauri: What, to simply induce people to chant?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Hari-sauri: He only introduced just the chanting.
Prabhupada: But who will chant? Who'll chant?
Satsvarupa: But if they won't chant, then neither will they train up in the varnashrama. That's the easiest.
Prabhupada: The chanting will be there, but you cannot expect that people will chant like Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They cannot even chant sixteen rounds. (And) these rascals are going to be Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Satsvarupa: No. But if they at least will chant and take some prasada...
Prabhupada: Chanting will go on. That is not stopped. But at the same time the varnashrama-dharma must be established to make the way easy.
Hari-sauri: Well, at least my own understanding was that the chanting was introduced in the age of Kali because varnashrama is not possible.
Prabhupada: Because it will cleanse the mind. Chanting will not stop.
Hari-sauri: So therefore the chanting was introduced to replace all of the systems of varnashrama and like that.
Prabhupada: Yes, it can replace, but who is going to replace it? The... People are not so advanced. If you imitate Haridasa Thakura to chant, it is not possible.
Satsvarupa: We tell them go on with your job but chant also.
Prabhupada: Yes. Thakaha apanara kaje, Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Apanara kaja ki. Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommended, sthane sthitah. And if they do not remain in the sthana, then the sahajiya's chanting will come. Just like the sahajiyas also have got the beads and..., but they have got three dozen women. This kind of chanting will go on. Just like our (name withheld). He was not fit for sannyasa but he was given sannyasa. And five women he was attached, and he disclosed. Therefore varnashrama-dharma is required. Simply show-bottle will not do.
> What happened is just stuggleing to get some point accoss
> some idea we may have but if we lose our path in the
> process what is the worth.? I dont really think real
> varashrama will take effect in our life time.
Fortunate Souls pg. 477:
"But if we accept the principle of varna and asrama as they are recommended in the sastra, and if we push on the Krsna consciousness movement, and if we push on the Krsna consciousness movement, surely everyone will be engaged in his occupation. In Delhi, Nandaji said that immediately these things cannot be introduced, but I think it can be introduced immediately without any loss of time, provided you are serious about it."
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Prabhakar, May 31, 1975)
Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 9, Ch. 10 TEXT 53]
When Lord Ramacandra the Supreme Personality of Godhead was the king of this world, all bodily and mental suffering, disease, old age, bereavement, lamentation, distress, fear and fatigue were completely absent. There was even no death for those who did not want it.
PURPORT
A similar situation could be introduced immediately, even in this age of Kali.
Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 9, Ch. 10 TEXT 51]
PURPORT
Among the four yugas - Satya, Treta, Dvapara, and Kali, the Kali-yuga is the worst, but if the process of varnasrama-dharma is introduced, even in this age of Kali, the situation of Satya-yuga can be invoked. The Hare Krsna movement is meant for this purpose.
> Recently I was studing a travel book of Bail .Here you
> have a system of Varashrama but of course its now
> very duluted . It is intresting tho how in the past
> a Varashrama system was present there and
> how much of it still remains. I hope your well
> Your servant Pita das
THE SCIENCE OF SELF REALIZATION pg. 118:
In India, the varnasrama system has now been taken in a perverted way, and thus a man born in the family of a brahmana (the highest social order) claims that he should be accepted as a brahmana. But this claim is not accepted by the sastra (scripture). One's forefather may have been a brahmana according to gotra, or the family hereditary order, but real varnasrama-dharma is based on the factual quality one has attained, regardless of birth or heredity. Therefore, we are not preaching the present-day system of the Hindus...
THE SCIENCE OF SELF REALIZATION pg. 122:
It is this divine varnasrama-dharma that Krsna recommends, not the caste system as it is understood today. This modern caste system is now condemned in India also, and it should be condemned, for the classification of different types of men according to birth is not the Vedic or the divine caste system.
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Dear Prabhus
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Have I committed any offenses,
taken any quotes out of context,
made any mistakes, and/or
If so, I'm sorry.
Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,
Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa
Hare Krsna