> Haribol, Im stickin here on the announcements, with my
> friends gHari and my new friend from Idaho. Cant punch
> up the others, arguement is so lame, goes nowhere and
> leaves the taster of such drivel with bitter lips and
> sour stomach. I wish the SF temple was still there,
> Id like to be there to pin the tail on my travelling
> computer salesman cyber friend, talk only about
> Kingdom of God issues. Wake up, folks, lava is
> on it's way down di mountain.Hare Krsna.
Originally posted by Bhuta-bhavana dasa on 02-18-99 04:42 PM CT (US) VNN FORUMS
> Haribol prabhuji,
> Yes! You are so right about arguing. All these debates
> always seem to turn into slugfests. Too much false ego
> (in my case, anyways).
> Just chant the holy names, distribute books and prasadam,
> and preach to the pious souls who are willing to listen.
> No time left for arguments.
> your fallen servant,
> BB
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A Transcendental Diary by Hari-sauri pg. 532:
Prabhupada: Nobody was crying for this edition of Bhagavat, but we are forcing. You must read. You must take. We are printing and forcing everyone.
Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 7, Ch. 13 TEXT 23]
PURPORT
Unless one is prepared to take instruction it is said that a saintly person should not address him, although sometimes because of great kindness, a saintly person speaks to ordinary men.
BHAGAVAD-GITA [Ch. 3 TEXT 29]
PURPORT
Men who are ignorant cannot appreciate activities in Krsna consciousness, and therefore Lord Krsna advises us not to disturb them and simply waste valuable time. But the devotees of the Lord are more kind than the Lord because they understand the purpose of the Lord. Consequently they undertake all kinds of risks, even to the point of approaching ignorant men to try to engage them in acts of Krsna consciousness which are absolutely necessary for the human being.
THE SCIENCE OF SELF REALIZATION pg. 228:
Prof. Kotovsky: The difficulty is that our approach is that we do not believe in anything without argument. We can believe only things based on argument.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that is allowed. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita [4.34]. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya. Pariprasna, argument is allowed - but not in the challenging spirit, but rather with the spirit to understand. Argument is not denied.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta [Adi-lila, Ch. 8 TEXT 15]
PURPORT
Those who are actually inquisitive to understand the philosophy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu through logic and argument are welcome. Please put Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mercy to your crucial test.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta [Adi-lila, Ch. 2 TEXT 67]
PURPORT
When there are arguments on the basis of sastra, a Vaisnava must come forward and defeat them in philosophy.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta
PURPORT
It is our duty to seek out bogus propagandists, challenge them and defeat them.
Narada Bhakti Sutra [Ch. 5 TEXT 74]
PURPORT
A sincere student should not neglect the discussion of such conclusions (concerning the philosophy of Krsna consciousness), considering them controversial, for such discussion strengthens the mind. Thus one's mind becomes attached to Krsna.
BHAGAVAD-GITA [Ch. 16 TEXTS 1-3]
PURPORT
Apaisunam means that one should not find fault with others or correct them unnecessarily. Of course to call a thief a thief is not faultfinding, but to call an honest person a thief is very much offensive for one who is making advancement in spiritual life.
BHAGAVAD-GITA [Ch. 10 TEXTS 4-5]
PURPORT
Satyam, truthfulness, means the facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social convention, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although the truth is sometimes unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it.
A Transcendental Diary pg. 539:
Prabhupada: Devotees always humbly offer respect to everyone, but when there is a discussion on a point of sastra they do not observe the usual etiquette (pg. 537: Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat - that in the material world only palatable truths should be spoken and unpalatable truths should be carefully avoided). They speak only the satyam (truth) although it may not necessarily be priyam (palatable).
Srila Prabhupada Quote, 1968:
Srila Prabhupada: Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat ma bruyat satyam apriyam. It is social convention that if you want to speak truth, you speak truth very palatable, flattering. Don't speak unpalatable truth. But we are not meant for that purpose, social convention. We are preacher, we are servant of God. We must speak the real truth. You may like it or may not like it.
Morning Walk, May 17, 1975, Perth Australia:
Srila Prabhupada: Regarding the position of a person who does not speak even when he knows the truth: Jani saksi mahi deya taru papa haya. A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities.
BHAGAVAD-GITA [Ch. 13 TEXTS 8-12]
PURPORT
Nonviolence is generally taken to mean not killing or destroying the body, but actually nonviolence means not to put others into distress. People in general are trapped by ignorance in the material concept of life, and they perpetually suffer material pains. So unless one elevates people to spiritual knowledge, one is practicing violence. One should try his best to distribute real knowledge to the people, so that they may become enlightened and leave this material entanglement.That is nonviolence.
BHAGAVAD-GITA [Ch. 10 TEXTS 4-5]
PURPORT
Ahimsa, nonviolence, means that one should not do anything which will put others into misery or confusion. Material activities that are promised by so many politicians, sociologists, philanthropists, etc., do not produce very good results because the politicians and philanthropists have no transcendental vision; they do not know what is actually beneficial for human society. Ahimsa means that people should be trained in such a way that the full utilization of the human body can be achieved. The human body is meant for spiritual realization, so any movement or any commissions which do not further that end commit violence on the human body. That which furthers the future spiritual happiness of the people in general is called nonviolence.
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Dear Prabhus
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Have I committed any offenses,
taken any quotes out of context,
made any mistakes, and/or
done anything I shouldn't have?
If so, I'm sorry.
Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,
Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa
Hare Krsna