Originally posted by Mahaksa dasa on 03-16-99 03:36 PM CT (US) VNN FORUMS

> VAD is not applicable in this age,

Fortunate Souls pg. 477:

"But if we accept the principle of varna and asrama as they are recommended in the sastra, and if we push on the Krsna consciousness movement, and if we push on the Krsna consciousness movement, surely everyone will be engaged in his occupation. In Delhi, Nandaji said that immediately these things cannot be introduced, but I think it can be introduced immediately without any loss of time, provided you are serious about it."
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Prabhakar, May 31, 1975)

Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 9, TEXT 10 Ch. 51]

PURPORT

Among the four yugas - Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, the Kali-yuga is the worst, but if the process of varnasrama-dharma is introduced, even in this age of Kali, the situation of Satya-yuga can be invoked. The Hare Krsna movement is meant for this purpose.

Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 9, TEXT 10 Ch. 53]

When Lord Ramacandra the Supreme Personality of Godhead was the king of this world, all bodily and mental suffering, disease, old age, bereavement, lamentation, distress, fear and fatigue were completely absent. There was even no death for those who did not want it.

PURPORT

A similar situation could be introduced immediately, even in this age of Kali.

> After the warriors all died cursing
> ksatriya dharma, all that was left was
> sudra, and all born in Kali are born sudra.

THE SCIENCE OF SELF REALIZATION pg. 223, Conversation with Professor Kotovsky, 1971:

Kalau sudra-sambhavah: In this age practically all men are sudras. . . but to maintain social order you have to train some of the sudras to become brahmanas.

Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 8 pg. 321, 1974:

Dr. Patel: Here you have got brahmanas also.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 7 pg. 301, 1974:

Srila Prabhupada: So everywhere in each center this system should be introduced, and there must be practical application of varnasrama. At the same time this program of devotional service.

Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 16 pg. 265 & 266, October 16, 1975, Johannesburg:

Prabhupada: That is wanted. That is wanted now. At the present moment the whole world is full of rascals. Now, if they take to Krsna consciousness, select amongst them. Just like I am training. You are brahmana by training. So one who is prepared to be trained as brahmana, classify him in the brahmana. One is trained up as ksatriya, classify him. In this way, catur-varnyam maya srs...

Movie: Final Lesson, November, 1977:

Srila Prabhupada: Establish varnasrama-dharma.

> This is not to say that we cannot apply
> some if not all of the principles, we can,
> and Srila Prabhupada recommended that
> we try, but VAD is not sanatana dharma

Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 1, TEXT 19 Ch. 4]

PURPORT

The life of a human being is a chance to prepare oneself to go back to Godhead, or to get rid of the material existence, the repetition of birth and death. Thus in the system of varnasrama-dharma every man and woman is trained for this purpose. In other words the system of varnasrama-dharma is also known as sanatana-dharma, or the eternal occupation. The system of varnasrama-dharma prepares a man for going back to Godhead.

Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 7, TEXT 11 Ch. 2]

PURPORT

The eternal occupational duty can be organized through the institution of varnasrama, in which there are four varnas (brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra) and four asramas...

> rather, harinama harinama harinama eve
> kevelam, kalau nasteve nasteva nasteva,
> gatih anyatha.

Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:

"Varnashrama System Must Be Introduced"

Hari-sauri: But in Caitanya Mahaprabhu's practical preaching He only induced them to chant.

Prabhupada: That is not possible for ordinary man.

Hari-sauri: What, to simply induce people to chant?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Hari-sauri: He only introduced just the chanting.

Prabhupada: But who will chant? Who'll chant?

Satsvarupa: But if they won't chant, then neither will they train up in the varnashrama. That's the easiest.

Prabhupada: The chanting will be there, but you cannot expect that people will chant like Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They cannot even chant sixteen rounds. (And) these rascals are going to be Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Satsvarupa: No. But if they at least will chant and take some prasada...

Prabhupada: Chanting will go on. That is not stopped. But at the same time the varnashrama-dharma must be established to make the way easy.

Hari-sauri: Well, at least my own understanding was that the chanting was introduced in the age of Kali because varnashrama is not possible.

Prabhupada: Because it will cleanse the mind. Chanting will not stop.

Hari-sauri: So therefore the chanting was introduced to replace all of the systems of varnashrama and like that.

Prabhupada: Yes, it can replace, but who is going to replace it? The... People are not so advanced. If you imitate Haridasa Thakura to chant, it is not possible.

Satsvarupa: We tell them go on with your job but chant also.

Prabhupada: Yes. Thakaha apanara kaje, Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Apanara kaja ki. Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommended, sthane sthitah. And if they do not remain in the sthana, then the sahajiya's chanting will come. Just like the sahajiyas also have got the beads and..., but they have got three dozen women. This kind of chanting will go on. Just like our (name withheld). He was not fit for sannyasa but he was given sannyasa. And five women he was attached, and he disclosed. Therefore varnashrama-dharma is required. Simply show-bottle will not do.

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Dear Prabhus

Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Have I committed any offenses,
taken any quotes out of context,
made any mistakes, and/or
done anything I shouldn't have?
If so, I'm sorry.

Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,

Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa

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