> "Beginning Krsna" Yes. Rascals are
> conditioned souls, persons who are not self
> realized who have the four defects,
> including the cheating propensity, so Krsna
> consciousness is the first and primary
> priority, Varnasram society is not a
> prerequisite, not needed,
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 16 pg. 265, October 16, 1975, Johannesburg:
Prabhupada: No, no, beginning, Krsna. Why don't you read Bhagavad-gita? You don't know?
Harikesa: No, no. Yes.
Prabhupada: What is the social arrangement? What is that?
Harikesa: That Krsna created the four orders.
Prabhupada: Yes. So you make that four orders, and then society will be in order. But you are not taking Krsna's advice. You are manufacturing your hellish ideas.
Siksamrta Vol. 3 pg. 2538:
74-04 "Unless we are engaged with all our senses and intelligence in serving Krsna where is the question of Krsna consciousness? We are reading here in the evenings how in the fourth chapter of Bhagavad-gita Krsna has arranged for catur-varnyam, the division of four orders, whereby everyone has some engagement according to his personal propensity, his quality and work, and thus everyone can go back to Godhead while performing their work."
THE SCIENCE OF SELF REALIZATION pg. 324:
In any society you can see that unless there are these four divisions, there will be chaos. It will not work properly. It will be Maya, and there will be disturbances.
> the occupational orders are naturally
> occuring anyway
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 16 pg. 265 & 266, October 16, 1975, Johannesburg:
Prabhupada: No, no. Take "everyone is rascal," then train them. That is wanted. Take everyone as rascal. There is no question that "Here is intelligent man, here is rascal, here is the..." No. First of all take them all rascals, and then train them. That is wanted. That is wanted now. At the present moment the whole world is full of rascals. Now, if they take to Krsna consciousness, select amongst them. Just like I am training. You are brahmana by training. So one who is prepared to be trained as brahmana, classify him in the brahmana. One is trained up as ksatriya, classify him. In this way, catur-varnyam maya srs...
Harikesa: And that ksatriya would engage everyone basically as sudra and then pick from them.
Prabhupada: Hm.?
Harikesa: He would initially pick...
Prabhupada: No, no, no. You pick up... You take the whole mass of people as sudra. Then...
Harikesa: Pick out.
Prabhupada: Pick out. And rest, who is neither brahmana nor ksatriya nor vaisya, then he is sudra. That's all, very easy thing. If he cannot be trained up as engineer, then he remains as a common man. There is no force. This is the way of organizing society.
> Srila Prabhupada did not give you the
> permission to gamble at dice and to drink
> like Ksyatrias, he meant that all of you
> become even better than Bhraman realized.
Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:
Srila Prabhupada: Not everybody. Why are you misunderstanding? Varnasrama, not everybody brahmana.
Hari-sauri: No, but in our society practically everyone is being raised to that platform.
Srila Prabhupada: Everybody is being raised, but they are falling down.
Hari-sauri: So then we make it more difficult to get brahminical initiation. After four or five years.
Srila Prabhupada: Not necessary. You remain as ksatriya. . . . . Not that a sudra man must by force become a brahmana. You cannot improve. That is not possible. But even if he remains a sudra and does accordingly, he will get the same position as devotee. . . . . He will get the perfection.
> "Beginning Krsna" then you can do anything,
> put something else first and you will have
> only limited satisfaction that will be
> transitory.
BHAGAVAD-GITA 3.35
PURPORT
Everyone has to cleanse his heart by a gradual process, not abruptly. However when one transcends the modes of material nature and is fully situated in Krsna consciousness, he can perform anything and everything under the guidance of a bona fide spiritual master. In that complete stage of Krsna consciousness the ksatriya may act as a brahmana, or a brahmana may act as a ksatriya. For example Visvamitra was originally a ksatriya, but later on he acted as a brahmana, whereas Parasurama was a brahmana but later on he acted as a ksatriya. Being transcendentally situated they could do so, but as long as one is on the material platform he must perform his duties according to the modes of material nature. At the same time he must have a full sense of Krsna consciousness.
> What would Srila Prabhupada have said if
> you'd have run to him shouting that
> children were being raped and beaten in
> your very own varnasrama society? He would
> have first personally commanded that these
> child molesters be given over to the
> demoniac authorities and then he would have
> probably packed his bags and gone home and
> told his god brothers that they were right
> and that he was wrong in ever thinking that
> he could even by Krsnas grace bring these
> demons to devotee status.
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> Another, isn't he the self proclaimed
> reincarnation of Adolph Hitler? And wasn't
> ISKCON even so foolish as to offer him a
> way back in several years ago? And now what
> is he, RTVIK, for now.
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> So what is this discussion about are you
> ready for varnasram society? Isn't it
> obvious that your not?
Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:
Hari-sauri: I just remember two or three years ago there was a thing... A pamphlet came out about introducing the varnashrama system in the society, but actually nothing came of it.
Prabhupada: Yes. That time was not right. Now you can do something.
> This is a different world and a different
> age and we are not interested in reverting
> to cultural primitivism nor to codes of
> laws which are barbaric. We must be a
> progressive Krsna conscious society but
> unless you are Krsna conscious and Bhraman
> realized your not going to know what to
> adjust, what is relevant to time and place.
Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 9, Ch. 10 TEXT 53]
When Lord Ramacandra the Supreme Personality of Godhead was the king of this world, all bodily and mental suffering, disease, old age, bereavement, lamentation, distress, fear and fatigue were completely absent. There was even no death for those who did not want it.
PURPORT
A similar situation could be introduced immediately, even in this age of Kali.
Fortunate Souls pg. 477:
"But if we accept the principle of varna and asrama as they are recommended in the sastra, and if we push on the Krsna consciousness movement, and if we push on the Krsna consciousness movement, surely everyone will be engaged in his occupation. In Delhi, Nandaji said that immediately these things cannot be introduced, but I think it can be introduced immediately without any loss of time, provided you are serious about it."
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Prabhakar, May 31, 1975)
Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 9, Ch. 10 TEXT 51]
PURPORT
Among the four yugas - Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, the Kali-yuga is the worst, but if the process of varnasrama-dharma is introduced, even in this age of Kali, the situation of Satya-yuga can be invoked. The Hare Krsna movement is meant for this purpose.
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Dear Prabhus
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Have I committed any offenses,
taken any quotes out of context,
made any mistakes, and/or
done anything I shouldn't have?
If so, I'm sorry.
Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,
Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa
Hare Krsna