> O.K. Please look up the different
> allowances made for Ksyatriyas like
> gambling, drinking, etc., sudras for eating
> meat, promiscuous sex life, etc., and post
> them.Then see if you can find any
> permission for such activities given by
> Srila Prabhupada to his initiated devotees,
> to anyone in the Krsna consciousness
> movement.
Prabhupada: But if some of the ksatriya or the sudras, they want, so that is our prescription: "Go to the forest and kill some animal and eat that." That's all. You can kill one boar. Some disturbing elements, you can kill. You can kill some tiger. Like that. Learn to kill. No nonviolence. Learn to kill. Here also, as soon as you'll find, the ksatriya, a thief, a rogue, unwanted element in the society, kill him. That's all. Finish. Kill him. Bas. Finished. So other will see, "Oh, the ruler is very strong." And others will... One killing will be lesson for many hundreds and thousands. No mercy. "Kill him." That's all. That was the system. In Kashmir about hundred years ago. If somebody has stolen, cut his hand. Bas. He cannot steal any more. So one cutting hand means finish. In that part of the world, no more stealing. (740312MW.VRN)
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 7 pg. 302:
Srila Prabhupada: Vaisnava is transcendental, but for proper management of the material world, one should be acting like a brahmana, one should be acting like a ksatriya. That is required. If need be he has to act as ksatriya or a sudra. It doesn't matter. But manage, for management the division must be there. Otherwise it will be mismanagement.
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 7 pg. 300:
Srila Prabhupada: For the management of affairs we require to divide. Those who are fit for management and protection they should be trained as ksatriya . . . so in our society this division should be there.
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 15 pg. 251:
Srila Prabhupada: Ksatriyas may marry more than one wife. They can take so that all girls must be married.
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada, May 16, 1975:
Srila Prabhupada: If you can maintain each and every wife you can marry more than one wife.
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada pg. 252 & 253:
Nityananda: Are you saying that our men should have more than one wife?
Srila Prabhupada: I have no objection.
Satsvarupa: That's a difficult proposition.
Srila Prabhupada: Why?
Satsvarupa: It's illegal.
Nityananda: No one knows who is married or unmarried, but if you have...
Srila Prabhupada: That is not very difficult. . . . . If you don't call wife you can have. The law allows you to keep boyfriend, girlfriend. Instead of calling husband, call friend. To keep more than one wife by trained up man is not disallowed. . . . .
Nityananda: The general public does not approve of that.
Srila Prabhupada: We don't care.
> I maintain that what Srila Prabhupada was
> doing was first and formost aimed at
> establishing societies heads, those who
> were Bhraman realized and firmly attached
> to the Lords lotus feet, in actuality, not
> just nominally. If you cannot find
> provision for such permissiveness of
> illicet sex, gambling, meat, eating and
> intoxication allowed for members of your
> movement then what Srila Prabhupada
> intended was radically different than the
> type of Varnasram society that was
> permissive of such activities in these
> other three varnas.
> All glories to Srila Prabhupada
> Hare Krsna
Srimad-Bhagavatam [Canto 7, Ch. 11 TEXT 20]
PURPORT
Although the Krsna consciousness movement is a movement of brahmanas and vaisnavas, it is trying to re-establish the divine varnasrama system, for without this division of society there cannot be peace and prosperity anywhere. (Conversations With Srila Prabhupda Vol. 7 pg. 302: Srila Prabhupada: Vaisnava is transcendental. But for proper management of the material world one should be acting like a brahmana, one should be acting like a ksatriya. That is required. If need be he has to act as ksatriya or a sudra. It doesn't matter. But manage, for management the division must be there. Otherwise it will be mismanagement. Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: For the management of affairs we require to divide. Those who are fit for management and protection, they should be trained as ksatriya . . . so in our society this division should be there. Conversations With Srila Prabhupda Vol. 7 pg. 301: Srila Prabhupada: So everywhere, in each center this system should be introduced and there must be practical application of varnasrama. At the same time this program of devotional service).
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Dear Prabhus
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Have I committed any offenses,
taken any quotes out of context,
made any mistakes, and/or
done anything I shouldn't have?
If so, I'm sorry.
Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,
Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa
Hare Krsna