> > Hellish Ideas
> > > ISKCON GOVERNING BODY COMMISSION SOCIETY
> > > MINUTES OF THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING OF
> > > THE ISKCON GBC BODY SRI DHAM MAYAPURA,
> > > FEBRUARY 5-16, 1999
> > > RESOLUTIONS:
> > > 504. [VISION AND GOAL] VARNASRAMA DHARMA
> > > AND CARE FOR DEVOTEES
> > > Whereas Srila Prabhupada repeatedly and
> > > consistently advocated the implementation
> > > of Varnasrama as the panacea for all of
> > > societies social imbalances, and
> > > Whereas Srila Prabhupada instructed that
> > > Varnasrama must be implemented within
> > > ISKCON,
> > > It is resolved THAT as a humble beginning of
> > > the process of implementing Daivi-varnasrama
> > > within ISKCON, the GBC Body emphasizes
> > > the need to care for devotees in the
> > > following fundamental areas:
> > > Children
> > > Women
> > > Elderly
> > > Brahmanas
> > > Cows
> > Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 16 pg. 265, October
> > 16, 1975, Johannesburg:
> > Prabhupada: No, no, beginning, Krsna. Why don't you read
> > Bhagavad-gita? You don't know?
> > Harikesa: No, no. Yes.
> > Prabhupada: What is the social arrangement? What is that?
> > Harikesa: That Krsna created the four orders.
> > Prabhupada: Yes. So you make that four orders,
> > and then society will be in order. But you
> > are not taking Krsna's advice. You are
> > manufacturing your hellish ideas.
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Dear Prabhus
> > Please accept my respectful obeisances.
> > All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
> > Have I committed any offenses,
> > taken any quotes out of context,
> > made any mistakes, and/or
> > done anything I shouldn't have?
> > If so, I'm sorry.
> > Aspiring to be the sincere
> > servant of the servant,
> > Yours Truly,
> > Gauranga Prema Dasa
> > Hare Krsna
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 99 20:01 - 0800
From: COM: Giriraja Swami
Giriraja.Swami@com.bbt.se
Subject: Purpose of Varnasrama
To: Gauranga Prema Dasa
gauranga-prema@angelfire.com
[Text 2201256 from COM]
> "The Aryans follow these Vedic principles, varnasrama-dharma.
> Varnasramacaravata purusena param puman, visnuraradhyate. What
> is the purpose of varnasrama? Now, visnu aradhana. Why Visnu
> aradhana? There are so many demigods? That is also answered by
> Lord Siva. When he was asked by Parvati, 'What is the best form
> of worship?' he recommended, aradhananam sarvesam: 'There are
> many different types of worship.' Sarvesam visnor aradhanam
> param. Lord Siva never said that "My aradhana is..." Krsna
> says, mam ekam saranam vraja, but no other demigod has ever
> said. No. You'll never find. Here Lord Siva says, visnor
> aradhanam param. Then again he stresses, tasmat parataram devi
> tadiyanam aradhanam: "Visnu aradhanam is the best, but better
> than this best there is another aradhanam." What is that?
> Tadiyanam aradhananam: 'To worship the Vaisnava.' Visnu
> aradhana is the topmost, but Vaisnava aradhana is still more.
> Narottama dasa Thakura therefore says, chadiya vaisnava-seva,
> nistara payeche keba. The Vaisnava aradhana is so important.
> "Therefore Krsna says, > tad viddhi pranipatena > pariprasnena sevaya > upadeksyanti te jnanam > jnaninas tattva-darsinah > [Bg. 4.34]"> (Srila Prabhupada lecture, 18.9.1975)
> We are trying our best to serve our spiritual master in
> consultation with our senior and trusted Godbrothers.
> Hare Krishna.
Varnasrama Debate 3B
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/4830/Varnasrama_Debate-3B.html
Excerpt from:
VADA
CLARIFICATION OF PURPOSE FOR QUOTE COMPILATION
by Gauranga Prema Dasa
Date: July 11, 1997
Correspondence with Dayananda Prabhu
(The temple president of the twenty-sixth second avenue center)
> > Are we doing what Srila Prabhupada wants?
> Yes, we are doing what Prabhupad wants.
If we have truly reached perfection then my next question is how do we become more perfect? Isn't that the nature of that which is truly spiritual. Isn't there always improvement and expansion inconceivably even beyond perfection? Should we ever feel that we have become fully satiated in our service capabilities, or in other words, that we have reached our capacity? Should we ever claim that we are doing our best? Do you feel that this mood may be a problem amongst some of the members of this movement?
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Dear Maharaja
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Have I committed any offenses,
made any mistakes, and/or
done anything I shouldn't have?
If so, I'm sorry.
Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,
Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa
Hare Krsna
On Fri, 2 Apr 99 06:29 - 0800 COM: Giriraja Swami wrote:
> My dear Gauranga Prema,
> Please accept my humble obeisances.
> All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
> Are you the Gauranga Prema who assisted HH Radhanath
> Swami and his party when we did the Gauda-mandala
> parikrama during Karttika in 1997?
No.
> Anyway, I still am not sure I know what exactly you
> want to say or ask.
Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 16 pg. 265, October 16, 1975, Johannesburg:
Prabhupada: So you make that four orders, and then society will be in order. But you are not taking Krsna's advice. You are manufacturing your hellish ideas. . . . . Take "everyone is rascal," then train them. That is wanted. Take everyone as rascal. There is no question that "Here is intelligent man, here is rascal, here is the..." No. First of all take them all rascals, and then train them. That is wanted. That is wanted now.
Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:
Prabhupada: Every business is important. Brahmana business is important, kshatriya... Just like the body. Head is important; the arm is important; the belly is important. They must be kept in order. Just like I am in trouble because my belly is not working. Digesting power is not good. So in spite of brain, hand, and leg, I am diseased. If any part of the society remains diseased, the whole society will suffer. Therefore they must be maintained in correct order. You cannot say if there is some trouble in the leg, "Neglect the leg. Take care of the brain." No. Brain will be taxed due to the pain in the leg. This is nature. Therefore everyone should be kept in order. Then things will go on. That is varnashrama. They do not know that. Sometimes they are giving stress... That communist is giving stress to the shudra class, and the capitalist are giving to the belly class. And what about the head? What about the arms? And therefore topsy-turvied. Everything is disorder. There are two classes of men now-capitalist and communist. The communist is giving stress, "No. Simply the legs shall be taken care." What is called? Proly?
Hari-sauri: Proletariat.
Prabhupada: What is that proletariat?
Satsvarupa: The laborers.
Prabhupada: That's all. These rascals are giving stress on the legs. And the capitalists, they are giving stress on production. And where is the kshatriya and brahmana?
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Dear Maharaja
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Have I committed any offenses,
taken any quotes out of context,
made any mistakes, and/or
done anything I shouldn't have?
If so, I'm sorry.
Aspiring to be the sincere
servant of the servant,
Yours Truly,
Gauranga Prema Dasa
Hare Krsna
[Text 2210815 from COM]
My dear Gauranga Prema,
Please accept my best wishes.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
> Have I committed any offenses,
> taken any quotes out of context,
> made any mistakes, and/or
> done anything I shouldn't have?
> If so, I'm sorry.
I don't think so. I am glad you have communicated
some of Srila Prabhupada's important instructions.
May he help us all.
Hare Krishna.
May this meet you in good health
and Krishna consciousness.
Yours in service to
Srila Prabhupada,
Giriraj Swami