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I am sorry I have the wrong John that married Mary Scott, he went to
Shelby County, Indiana not Ohio. The Ohio John m/ Sophia Lantz.
Earliene
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From: Jeni Ann Kaelin[SMTP:jeniann@wa.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 1997 9:47 am
To: 'Sharyn L. Marang Dana'
Subject: RE: Cartmill
Sensitivity: Personal
Thank you so much Sharyn, this is what I needed to confirm or
as best as can be at this point that my John was the son of Thomas
and Mary (Warwick) Cartmill. They have had John in Ohio listed
as the son of Thomas and Mary and all that I had said no, this
rather confirms that he was the son of Thomas and Ann. I would
be grateful for any information that you have gathered on the
Ohio Cartmill's, I actually have very little on them.
Have a great day, you have made mine!
"E"
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At 08:17 AM 8/23/97 -0700, Jeni Ann Kaelin wrote:
>Dan'l
>You have more info than I do, I don't have the place of death for Ann. I
looked
>on my trusty maps and cannot find Catawaba anywhere and the usgs is down
>so I cannot check that. I could have looked for both the town and cemetery
>otherwise. Sharyn do you know where this is?
Catawaba is in Clark Co.
Catawaba Station is in Champaign Co.
Catawaba Island is in Ottawa Co.
Clark and Champaign Counties are next door to each other.
Cartmell's were in both counties.
Ann Hite Cartmell, wife of Thomas, Clark Co. will dated Aug 30, 1821 and
probated May 26, 1823 lists the following heirs, dau Rachel, wife of John
Mills; dau Ellen, wife of James Hunter; day Sarah Morris; John Lupton who
md my dau Elizabeth; sons Jacob P; Nathaniel; Joseph; John and Thomas.
(Believe Coshocton John was dead and gone by this time.)
I have a paper somewhere that is supposed to have info on Ann and Tom's son
John. Will have to dig in one of my many unorganized "piles" to find it.
He was supposed to be up in the adjoining county of Champaign.
Daniel asked:
>Did Phil ever get all of the quarterlies Earliene, I can't
>remember after so much info has been going back and forth for
I sent Phil copies of the one I had which gave some info on John's, but I
have learned more from you two than anything that is in the quarterly.
Sharyn
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I found it and if this is Ann wife of Thomas, then I was right and The John that is
her son is John that married Mary Scott cause it is in Clark Co. Ohio, just south
of Mechanicsburg, where John and Mary went. Hurray!!!!!!
"E"
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G.G. Grandparents: George F. Davenport b. 2-22-1832 Dewitt Co.,IL d. 1898 DeWitt
m/ 5-17-1852 Co.IL.
Julia Ann Cartmill b. 6-18-1832 IN. d. 9-23-1884 DeWitt Co.,IL
G.G.G. Grandparents: John Cartmill b. abt 1779 VA. d. 3-31-1856 IL.
M/ 2-21-1822 Rebecca Hendricks b. abt. 1808 N.C. d. unknown
Known Children of John and Rebecca:
William H. Cartmill b. abt. 1825 KY d. unknown m/ Mariah Burton
11-14-1850 DeWitt Co. IL.
Polly W.Cartmill b. abt.1831 KY d. unknown
Julia Ann Cartmill (info. above)
Tarlton Cartmill b. abt. 1839 IL.
I feel there were more children for this couple I just can't pin them down. Family info. passed down says that one of the boys died the Civil War but I have not found a record of any Cartmill/ Cartmell from Ill. I feel that the boys may have gone to Missouri with the other sides of the family. I have worked a lot with DeWitt County and am hoping that they will look deeper for me. Just a quick note Sarah daughter of Julia always said that she was born in Livingston County, Ill as her death certificates states but her marriage record states DeWitt Co. I have just found her mother Rebecca on the 1860 Census in Livingston after John died so maybe there is truth to the rumor....Unlike the Davenports and Coppenbargers there are very few stories if any told of John and Rebecca. They must have been a quiet couple HA! I have been pouring over and over the records you guys are sharing and get more caught up by the minute.
More later,
Earliene
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Okay,
Which is my John???? HA!HA!
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From: Larry Hoefling[SMTP:hoefling@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 1997 12:27 pm
To: jeniann@wa.net
Subject: Re: Casey County,KY 1820 Census look-up
Jeni Ann Kaelin wrote:
>
> Will you please check for John Cartmill/Cartmell on the 1820 Casey Co. Census.
> Thank you,
> Earliene Kaelin jeniann@wa.net
Earliene:
Another attempt here:
John Cartmill was in Bath County in 1810, census page 174-14
John Cartmel was in Harrison County in 1810, census page 206-13
Hope these items are of some use.
larry
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Both of these are present day Bath County and located in the same exact area within one mile or less of each other. Both Slate Creek (1853) and Flat Creek (1806) are located 5-7 miles directly north of Owingsville, Kentucky. Could this John be father or brother of Thomas and David has claim for that reason????? Or are John and David Brothers and sons of Thomas and John bought land with money from Thomas estate???? Let me know what you think?
Earliene
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I've copied this back awhile ago. I don't know if it means anything or not.
TAZEWELL COUNTY, VIRGINIA LAND GRANTS
Book 52 Page 450
John Cartmill 100 acres 15 OCT 1804
Surveyed 2 AUG 1803. On waters of Bluestone, adjacent to James Cartmill, on
north side of East River Mountain.
I wrote "Cartmills moved to Kanawha County in 1807".
Kanawha County 1810 Census
Mason County Records
David Cartmill b. 1769 s/o Henry J. Cartmill, Botetourt County, Virginia
married Sarah Dudding d/o William and Nancy Blake Dudding.
I even overlooked the date they were married. Smart huh?
Botetourt County, Virginia
1785 John Cartmill, Sheriff also a Captain in Logan's Company. Henry Cartmill
a Lieutenant.
Harrison County, Kentucky Tax List
1794
John Cartmill, Sr.
John Cartmill, Jr.
1795
John Cartmill, Jr. (I can't find John,Sr.)
1796
John Cartmill, Sr.
John Cartmill, Jr.
1797
John Cartmill, Sr.
John Cartmill, Jr.
1799 (We've skipped 1798 or it wasn't there)
John Cartmel
In 1794 he already had a son at least twenty-one. So Junior has to be born by
1773, old John by at least 1752. Looks like Thomas' brother doesn't it? I
still want to account for John's son Thomas. I'm not convinced.
You know, I'm so confused I don't even remember where we got Mary Warwick. I
know I jumped on that because I'd always told Daniel that David's mother was
named Mary. That's why the Ann Hite thing didn't fit.
I agree Daniel. There are so many similarities. But at the same time it just
doesn't fit. I thought Thomas, who married Ann Hite, died in Virginia in
1808. I didn't think he ever came to Kentucky.
I don't know how we'll ever figure out this mess. Holy Cow!
One solution. You're all going to love this. My niece had a dream the other
night about a little old lady in a shop. My niece is into antiques. So it
must have been an antique shop. Anywhooo! The little old lady told her to
look in the box in Mt. Sterling. What do you think? Sound like shades of "The
X Files". I've climbed all over the shelves in Mt. Sterling, but maybe I'd
better go back.
I'm sure this made everyone's day.
Paula
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Our Thomas b. ca 1750-1760 m. Mary Warwick (If Jennie was their first child
b. 1775, give Thomas an average age of 20 when she was born, 1755. He died in
1803. So he died fairly young. Don't ya think?
1. Jennie b. 1775
2. Andrew b. 1776
3. John b. 1779
4. William b. ca 1780
5. Polly b. 1775-1785 (I'd bet between Andrew and William)
6. Thomas b. ca 1784
7. Samuel b. ca 1785
8. David b. ca 1788 (I know. But I believe he belongs in here)
9. Martha b. ca. 1790
Rule out Nathaniel married to Sarah Russell. He's already got a Thomas
married to Ann Hite.
So Thomas' father had to be born about 1730-1740. Who does that leave?
Nathan b. 1727
Edward b. 1729
Any takers on this?
Paula
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Bath Co., KY Cemetaries (Cont.)
(p26-1)
Cartmill, Annie No dates
" , John " "
" , Sally " "
Cartmill, Annie No dates
dau/John & Sallie
" , John " "
" , Sally " "
[Nancy Cartmill m. John Horseman 27 Aug 1838]
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Military Revolution Pensions
Robert Stilington b. 1739 declared in 1832 he served under Lt. John Cartmell
at Warwick's Fort.
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In a message dated 97-06-30 13:58:42 EDT, you write:
<< I still feel there is a John Jr. Just look at the birth dates.
M/ 2-21-1822 Rebecca Hendricks b. abt. 1808 N.C. d. unknown
Known Children of John and Rebecca:
William H. Cartmill b. abt. 1825 KY d. >>
What about the John M. Cartmill in the 1830 Bath census? 1 male 20-30. 1
female 20-30. Couldn't that be John, Jr. and Rebecca?
X
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Hi Guy's;
:I am out on the limb again and like all of us I have been stuck on the Tax/Census lists. After going over and over and unless one of these came from another area, I have come to these conclusions (feel free to correct me): Thomas/Andrew- Thomas is only one with male over 16 1797, 1799, 1800, so John (1801 tax) must be son of Thomas. William shows 1803 and again Thomas is only one with male over 16 so he must be son of Thomas. 1804/1805 Thomas dies. 1805 Andrew II shows, Andrew I is too old to be one who travels to IL. Since Andrew I still shows no male over 16, Andrew II must also be of Thomas and Mary. Again Andrew II would be too young to show 1793 so we must have two Andrews. 1805/1806 Andrew I dies. Samuel shows 1806 b. abt 1785 and would not show as over 16 until 1801 so again he must be son of Thomas.
:So what if Andrew I is the father of Thomas? That would explain no children showing up at this time, and could explain all the relationships. Let me know what you think? Remember that I do not have all the information on these guys so if I make errors just correct me.
:Your Western Cousin
:Earliene
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Guy's,
My John shows on census at 71 years 1850 DeWitt County census, they could be off a few years but I don't think 20 -30 years off. I'll get back to you.
Earliene
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Cartmells:
John, b. 1772 VA d. 1843 IN.
Submitted by William P. Cartmell
P.O. Box 101
Port Townsend, WA 98368
(Family Organization)
also: Nathaniel b. 1736? /DE. submitted by same guy above.
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Now John may be the key. Notice his movements from one place to
another.
John is in Frederick Co. VA, 1782
no more Johns there.
John is in Fayette Co. Ky. 1787.
interesting, no?
John shows up again in Harrison Co. Ky 1800
Then in Montgomery Co. 1810
Now for Capt. John Cartmell
He's in Botetourt Co. VA, in the township of Cartmills District
in 1785.
Then we have a John Sr. listed same place in 1810, no township.
Now who's the oldest? John. Everyone else shows up after him.
Could this be a clue?
DanL
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Now everyone keeps sending me stuff about Captain John Cartmell, Sr.,
Revolutionary Soldier. If he was a Captain he had to get a land grant. Why
have we not found it? He's the one in Harrison County.
Paula
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I still think your Thomas and my David were brothers, who married sisters. I
just haven't figured out their father. I lean towards John, Sr. for awhile
and then I think no it was definitely Thomas.
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DAR Patriot Index, Washington, 1966,
Henry Cartmell b. 1754-d. p. 11-14-1838 m. Sarah Anderson 1Lt VA
John Cartmell b.c.1750 d.c. 1824 m. X Capt VA
Nathaniel b.c. 1725 d. 10-6-1795 m. Sarah-- Pvt PS VA
Thomas b--d. 1808 m. Ann Hite Pvt VA.
Kentucky Tax List 1820
Cartmill
John/ Harrison County No Twp
Andrew/ Bath Co. Owingsville
David/ Bath Co. No Twp
Jacob/ Nelson Co. No Twp
Nicholas/ Nelson Co. No Twp
Thomas/ Jefferson Co. Jefferson
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David and Nancy's sons:
William H. b. ca 1818,
Hugh Hicklin b. ca 1829,
John b. 1820,
Thomas b. ?
Okay three sons under ten 1820:
William H.,
John,
Thomas.
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Genealogical info on John M. Cartmill
(about 1/3 page)
- submitted by a Mrs. John R. Cartmill in Tulsa, OK
(has complete address)
- John M. Cartmill b. 1820 Bath Co., KY; d. 1865;
m. Lucindy Thomas in Clark Co., KY;
- son John Brackenridge Cartmill b. 13 Mar 1857
Owensville, KY; [Owingsville?]
d. July 1949 Toledo, Ill.;
m. Emma Greeson 03 Sept 1882 Toledo, ILL
- has more info on John & Emma's children
- no info on John M. Cartmill's parents
Editor's Note (about 1/3 page):
- states that earliest known Cartmills to have resided in Bath
Co., KY were from family of Andrew Cartmill who
m. Nancy D. Brown in Bath Co., where they gave birth to
several children before resettling to Sangamon Co., ILL
- Andrew did have son John M. Cartmill, m. Mildred R. Tackett,
(lists John & Mildred's children)
- states that John M. Cartmill who m. Lucindy Thomas was
probably a son of one of the Cartmills listed in the 1820
Bath Co. census - includes David, John & Thomas Cartmill
[price list cites the above as "The Kentucky Cartmills"]
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Issue No. 17, Winter 1983
In search of John Cartmell and three other sons of Nathaniel
II of Frederick County, Virginia
(this is title on cover page; whole issue is devoted to this)
Tracking Nathaniel II's son John
- Nathaniel had will in 1795 [Frederick Co., VA?]
- Nathaniel II
- Thomas Cartmell
- Nathaniel Cartmell
- Nathan Cartmell, lived in Bullitt Co., KY c1800
- John Cartmell Sr., in Harrison Co., KY before or c1794
- Jacob Cartmell, lived in Nelson Co., KY, c1800?
- Elijah Cartmell, lived in Fayette Co., KY c1790
- Elizabeth Cartmell
- Sarah Cartmell
- Rachel Cartmell
- Mary Cartmell
- Solomon Cartmell
- Martin Cartmell
- some of John's descendants later found in Bourbon Co., KY
- two of John's sons may have resided in Montgomery Co., KY
- other family members possibly took root in Bath Co., KY
- John Sr. & Susanah had 3 sons & 7 daughters
- John Cartmel Jr, d. 30 Sept 1843 near Clarksburg, IN;
m. Mary/Polly Scott
- William Cartmell
m. Polly Anderson 31 Dec 1812 Harrison Co., KY
- Thomas Cartmell;
nothing known him or his about descendants;
mentions there was a Thomas Cartmill in Montgomery/Bath
census, 1800-1820
- Peggy Cartmell;
m. John Miller 26 Feb 1811 Harrison Co., KY
- Mary Cartmell;
m. John Wall 25 July 1794 Harrison Co., KY
- Ellenor "Nelly" Cartmell;
m. Garrett Wall 16 Oct 1803 Harrison Co., KY
- Jenny Cartmell;
m. Peter Barrett 12 Dec 1797 Harrison Co., KY
- Elizabeth Cartmell
- Martha Cartmell
- Nancy Cartmell
- transcript of will for Nathaniel Cartmell Senr. of
Frederick Co., VA, 1795
- transcript of will for Sarah Cartmell, widow of Nathaniel,
Frederick Co., VA, 1815
- transcript of will for John Cartmell Sr., Harrison Co., KY,
1807
- profiles of other known Johns
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Issue No. 17 (Cont.)
- query from Carolyn Leffler, Chanute, KS
- Jenny Cartmill m. John Crockett 17 Apr 1800 Montgomery
Co., KY
- Jenny's parents were Thomas & Mary Cartmill
- Jenny & John moved to Missouri along with other Cartmills,
settled in Grundy Co., MO
[I tried to write her; letter came back marked no forwarding
address]
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In a message dated 97-05-10 09:51:32 EDT, 103153.1666@CompuServe.COM (Phil
Cartmille) writes:
<< Subj: John Cartmell/Cartmill
Date: 97-05-10 09:51:32 EDT
From: 103153.1666@CompuServe.COM (Phil Cartmille)
To: Pmh52847@aol.com (Paula)
Hi Paula, Here is a little more info that I have gleaned from this article.
They call this guy John Sr., son of Nathaniel II. They are vague about when he appeared in Harrison Co.KY , but it was before 1795.
Also says his brother Elijah was married to Mary Coger. Brothers Jacob and Nathan married sisters, Rebecca and Catherine Crist. In Nathaniel II's will, brothers John, Thomas, Nathaniel, Nathan, and Jacob were only left one shilling as they had been given money during his life. There is another vague reference to another John Cartmell/mill of Botetourt Co. VA, who was a Captain in the Rev. Army, but I think this is another branch.
John Cartmell/mill Sr.'s will is dated 12-27-1807 and his wife was Susannah Ward (d. about 1818). John Sr. and Susannah had 3 sons and 7 daughters. John Jr. (b.1772, d.1843 in IN), William (not mine), Thomas, Peggy (Miller), Ellenor, also called Nelly (Wall), Jenny (Barrett), Mary (Wall), Elizabeth, Martha, and Nancy of which nothing is reported.
Another note is that nothing is known of Thomas, althogh he is listed on
the 1800 and 1810 censuses of Montgomery Co. KY, and the 1820 census of Bath Co.
I would like to find out more about him, as another reference that I have
suggests he might be the father of my William.
You can tell Daniel that I am almost certain that my William is not William Hite Cartmill, as I chased that one some time ago and he does not fit. I am still trying to find something on the names that you mentioned.....David, Andrew, and Asa. Maybe when I get more of these CCC Quarterlies, we will learn something.
I am back in town as I am expecting my fifth grandchild at any moment and I will be drafted into babysitting during the process. Don't know if any of this helps, but take a look and let me know. Have a nice Mother's Day, and don't be confused.....this will all work out.
Phil
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No way is David William's son. He has to be a brother. Thomas, William,
Andrew, John and David. They have to be brothers. William m. Issabelle
Ferguson, ca. 1807 Thomas m. Patsy McDonald 1810. David m. Nancy McDonald,
1813. He's their age. Maybe a little younger. If you take an average of
twenty for marriage, he was born in 1793. And Nancy was listed in the 1850
Census as being born about 1795. That makes sense. So if Thomas was born in
1784, then he and David could very well be brothers
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I transcribed a deed last night for Andrew Cartmill buying land from John
Bailey, Jr. in Bath County. Same place, Prickley Ash Creek. John M. Cartmill and Nancy B. Cartmill were witnesses. That's the first time I have found their middle initials. 12 FEB 1827. The will for John Cartmill, Sr. is listed as 1808 in Harrison County. So I doubt this was him. Boy, I wish they had used some names like Joe or Fred. It would be a lot easier to sort them out.
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Now John and Asa. I thought Asa was a man's name. I've found John and Rebecca
Hendrix Cartmill. Lord, I have no idea which John that is. I've got a deed
where John and Rebecca, his wife, sold to Thomas Cartmill a tract of land in
Bath County in 1827, for twenty-two hundred dollars. Stuck it to him, didn't
he? Don't ask which John and Thomas. I don't know. That's why I have to get
all these deeds transcribed and in order. I can't tell which are which.
What did you think about the Thomas and Asinah thing? Makes sense, huh?
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Made a very quick trip to the Fayette County Courthouse today. Couldn't put
my husband through too much. I got a little bit of information. But I could
probably spend at least two days and nights in there.
I found the estate settlement of Elijah Cartmell 23 MAR 1832. His children
sold 217 acres for $5425.00 to Asa and John Cartmell. Now whether Asa and
John were two of his children and the others sold out to them remains to be
seen. Sounds like quite a plantation for five grand.
Fayette County Deed Book 8 Page 409
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Now if you're descended from Robert Cartmill, here's the deal. I found on 13
JAN 1840 the adminitrators of the estate of John Cartmill emancipated Robert
alias Robert Cartmill. You make the call......
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Here's what I know.
David M. Cartmill m. Nancy Ann ? (right now I'm leaning toward McDonald).
Children that I know for sure:
1. Mary Cartmill Hamilton(Alexander) Day(Jesse P. Day). Jesse and Mary my
line.
Mary b. ca 1830 m. first Alexander 1849 Bath Co. Second Jesse 1857 Morgan
County, KY.
2. Hugh Hicklin Cartmill b.ca 1829 m. Malinda Jane Peyton ca 1850
3. Frances Cartmill b.ca 1832 m. Daniel Peyton
4. John Cartmill b.ca 1820 m. Lucinda Clemons
5. Eliza Cartmill m. James Payne
6. Thomas Cartmill
7. Sally Cartmill m. Aninias Reed
8. Margaret Cartmill m. ? Blackburn
9. William H. Cartmill m. Lucy ?
I found a deed in Bath County, which was really an estate settlement, where
David had died and his children were named. I think he died around 1835.
The David in the census, I think, is a grandson to Nancy Ann. There was no
David mentioned as being a child to David and Nancy. And I think David died
before he was born.
William, Hugh, Frances and Mary ended up in Morgan County. I have just
discovered the other children so I haven't had time to trace them at all.
I have a deed from Montgomery County where Andrew Cartmill bought property
from Willis Green. This same tract of land is being divided between David's
children. I only assume that Andrew was the father of David. I haven't been
able to find a deed where the land is transferred to David.
It took me a year to find that Mary's father was David. There are very few
Cartmill researchers out there. And the ones I have stumbled over so far
don't know any more than I do. Until you.
You don't know how much I appreciate your taking time to help me. Ain't
genealogists grand?
This is probably so screwed up you won't be able to make heads or tails out
of it, but I tried. If I have't made something clear, just let me know I'll
do my best to clear it up. I'm just so tickled to have someone who knows
about these crazy Cartmills.
Your West Virginia Cuz,
Paula
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