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Wednesday 15th July 1998
Alexander Marx has sent me some interesting K6-2 3D benchmark results which I will post on the PA-2007 Technical Reference Benchmark Page.   Below is an excerpt from his note: 
    "I have been successful in getting the k6-2/266 up and running on my PA-2007.  

    My System: 
    FIC PA-2007 rev 1.2 
    Beta Bios 113cd135 cpu is identified as K6-2 
    128mb (2x64) SDRAM (Hyundai) 
    rem: I use fastest possible timings and 4-bank interleave 
    Standard Heatsink and Fan 
    cpu used is amd k6-2 266 2.2v 
    Clock generator on Board: W48C67-01H 1734T 
    Chipset used is VT82C590 Apollo VP2  (595_9737CD+586A_9727CD) 
     

    First i tried the standard 4x66 at 2.1v.  It ran perfectly,  but couldn't satisfy my appetite for speed in Unreal.  Then i went on to 4.5x66 at 2.1v.  Amazingly it ran rock solid.  This is my standard setting now. 
    I cannot approve that it works with any of the 75mhz settings because unfortunately my Sdram is not able to keep up (i think).  I also encountered this problem with my 166mmx p5, so it's not k6-2 specific.  The whole thing worked also with 5x66 at 2.1v but,  i had a few shell32.dll and kernel32.dll errors in win98,  so i tried 2.3v and it was stable until,  well... until my win98 blew up with a registry error that couldn't be fixed without a complete reinstall (it halted at startup).  I suspect,  although i am not completely sure,  that it was caused by overclocking.  I went back to 300/66 but changed the voltage to 2.2v as described on your page.  This Machine is running very fast now and best of all - rock solid. In five days of extensive (i mean it - 15 hours a day!) use i encountered not one crash or any strange behavior.  Lately i downloaded the optimized Q2 minigl from AMD and it rocks.  I want to give you some Benchmarks, too 

    If you are interested in more details,  I will be glad to give you more information to contribute to your page - It is the main reason that now I have pentium2-like performance and saved at least half my money.  By the way,  please excuse my terrible language - i am a german who knows english only from surfing the internet and playing silly computer games. 

    See you 

    Alexander"

  
 
Tuesday 14th July 1998
    
An interesting Windows 98 FAQ page has popped up on FIC's Taiwan web site answering one important question.  

Why does my VIA chipset-based motherboard crash under Windows98? 

This problem is caused by incorrect assignment of IRQ by Microsoft Windows98. MiniPort driver released by VIA reassigns these IRQs. The driver has not been released by FIC yet but it can be found on the FIC FTP server. 
  
For more information,  check out the VIA chipset FAQ at VIA's Taiwan web site. 

I also have a brief report from one daring pioneer venturing to try the 5.5x multiplier with his K6 266 processor: 

    "I am running 333MHz using 5x (1-2, 2-3, 2-3) since a couple of weeks very stable at 2.1 V,  I did try the 5.5x setting (1-2, 1-2, 2-3).  It did not POST at 2.1V but did at 2.4V and displayed 366MHz.  I have a 266 chip and I am not feeling comfortable running it at 366 and 2.4 V,  I would do it at 2.2V though."
The PA-2007 Technical Reference FAQ has been updated with the 5.5x multiplier setting for your future reference. 
  

  

Sunday 12th July 1998
    
A big thank you to all those people who have sent to me information regarding the 5.5x clock multiplier and PC100 SDRAM.  I need more info so put on your lab coats and e-mail me the results.  

PC100 SDRAM 
The results so far,  from users who have successfully used the following PC100 SDRAM in the PA-2007 motherboard: 

 
Vendor IC
Part No.
(markings on chip)
Size(MB)
Test Results
Micron
MT48LC2M8A1TG-8B 
32
OK
Samsung 
KM48S8030BT-GL
32
OK
  
 
 
Thursday 9th July 1998
    
FIC denies it exists!  There has been much debate at the  alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.fic news group.  Yes,  an undocumented ICW clock generator multiplier setting of 5.5x?  Is it fact or fiction?  The PA-2011 (FIC's ATX version of the PA-2007 motherboard) uses the same ICW clock generator and has a 5.5x multiplier setting.  Here are the settings:  
 
 
Freq. 1
Freq. 2
Freq. 3
5.5x
1-2
1-2
2-3
  
Can anyone confirm its existence? 
 

PC100 SDRAM is pure overkill for your PA-2007 motherboard but it will be a requirement for your next motherboard.  I have planned to upgrade the memory in my system and go for PC100 SDRAM to try and future proof my investment.  Now, in the future when I move up to a Super Socket 7 board I will already have the necessary PC100 SDRAM.  Currently I have no information on which PC100 SDRAM works with the PA-2007.  Can anyone make any recommendations or have any experiences? 
  
  
  

Monday 7th July 1998
    
I think it is safe to say that all currently available drives,  with either the IDE or SCSI interface,  are S.M.A.R.T. capable.  As promised I visited the hard disk manufacturers sites to compile a list of all S.M.A.R.T. drives and found most if not all disks are S.M.A.R.T. capable with very few exceptions. 

I have received a reponse from FIC regarding the BIOS S.M.A.R.T. capability: 

     'You can get answer in this page. 
     http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/faq/smart.shtml 
     Harddisk must support this feature then you can enable it.' 

I guess I will read this page again to find out how to use the S.M.A.R.T. feature.   
  
 
 

Saturday 4th July 1998  1:50am
    
Those of us who have updated our BIOS from version 109cx12 to any of the new 113cx1x BIOS have noticed a new setting,  S.M.A.R.T.  Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology.  It is a hard disk drive reliability prediction technology pioneered by Compaq and supported by all the top hard disk manufacturers.  I'm not sure how it is used on the PA-2007 but I can speculate that possibly the BIOS gives the user a warning when a S.M.A.R.T. hard disk starts to fail.  Or on the other hand,  maybe the BIOS just enables/disables S.M.A.R.T. support for the S.M.A.R.T. hard disk drives.  Then it would be up to the Operating System or an application running to monitor the hard disk status and warn the user of pending failures. 

I am searching for a list of S.M.A.R.T. enabled hard disks and I will let you know what I find. 

I know FIC Technical Support could shed some light on the subject.  I will post  their response. 
  
  
  

Saturday 27rd June 1998  9:00pm
    
The new flash program from FIC,  FLASH560.EXE,  has a really handy feature for verifying BIOS files.  When the FLASH560 program reads in the BIOS file,  it displays the files checksum.  What is so important about the BIOS files checksum?  The files checksum is the sum (addition) of all the 1's and 0's in the file.  Therefore every BIOS file has a unique checksum.  When you download a BIOS file you can verify that the checksum is the correct value for that BIOS version.  A corrupted BIOS file will return an incorrect value for the checksum.  I have put together a table of PA-2007 BIOS files and their checksums.  
 
  
BIOS Checksum (Hex)
109cd112.AWD 99D4
113cd13.AWD A7DE
113cd133.AWD AF7E
113cd135.AWD A305
113cd15.AWD EA54
   
Now you can avoid flashing a corrupted BIOS file by using the FLASH560 program to check them against the table above. 
  
  
  
Tuesday 23rd June 1998
 
Cool more benchmarks for the K6-2 sent to us from Frank T. Mars.  Can anyone else confirm 75MHz operation with beta BIOS 113cd135?   
 
    Hi 
           Win Bench98   K6-2   266  o/c 300mhz 

            68.5mhz 4.5x 2.3v         75mhz 4.x 2.3v 
    clock speed    308                       300 
    business disk  830                       844 
    highend         2350                     2350 
    cpumark32      622                       670 
    fpu                  999                       974 
    photoshop      1670                     1710 
    publishing        778                       799 
    task switch    1090                      1130 
    frontpage97    1990                      2000 

    Now it seems FIC did not lock bios @ 66-68.5 
    This system runs great at 68.5 or 75mhz---rock solid 
    However my chip will not run @ 333,337.8 
    Not one lock, crash etc. with the 1.13cd135 bios---no problems! 
    This is the bios for anybody who had warm boot looping problems with 
    the PA2007 and k6-2. 
    Thanks Antonio and Mike Rains  
    Looking forward to reading all the k6-2 PA2007 posts 

    Regards 
    Frank T. Mars     aka Smoker  

 
 
Monday 22nd June 1998  9:40pm
 
3DNow!  Check out the e-mail I received from Jens Carl who against all odds has a PA-2007 with release BIOS 113cd13 running the K6-2 300 at 2.1V.  Jens has also included Wintune98 benchmarks. 
    Today I bought a K6/2-300 and it runs fine with Bios 113CD13 at 2,1V. 
    I don't have this rebooting problem. 
    My System: 
    FIC PA2007 Rev.1.2 
    Bios 113CD13 
    10ns 64 Mb SDRAM 
    Elsa Victory Erazor video card 
    Symbios Logic 8150S SCSI Controller 
    IBM DCAS 34330U 
    Teac CD-516S  
    MOD Fujitsu 2513A2 
    Soundblaster AWE64 Value 
    Elsa Microlink 28.8 TQV modem 

    Here are some Wintune98 results: 
    clock rate 301 MHz 
    Dhrystone 774 mips 
    Whetstone 348 mflops 
    CPU load 4% 
    mem read 530 mb/s 
    mem write 585 mb/s 
    mem copy 310 mb/s 
    overall mem 475 mb/s 

    This weekend I will try it with 333MHz. I will send you a message if it runs fine. 
     

I can't wait to hear from Jens and I'm sure he will send some more benchmarks figures. 

I have sent the beta BIOS, 113cd135, out and hope to hear from some more happy K6-2 owners.  The BIOS was posted to me by Mike Rains.  
 
 
 

Monday 22nd June 1998  1:00am
 
Hot news.  I have a new beta BIOS, 113cd135, which has solved K6-2 looping reboot problem for Frank T. Mars.  Thanks goes to Frank for testing this BIOS.  E-mail me if you have this problem and I can send you the BIOS file.  

I have updated the PA-2007 FAQ in response to information you requested. 

I have yet to start on the BIOS flashing report. ETA unknown at this stage.  Do you have any suggestions for the BIOS report? 
 
 
 

Friday 19th June 1998
   
Please forgive me as I do not have time to post a full commentary.  Thanks goes to Frank T. Mars for forwarding this note to me.  Look below for FIC's reply to the PA-2007 & K6-2 looping reboot problem: 
    
Subject: PA2007 and k6-2 bios 
Author:  <RMars15669@aol.com> at internet-mail 
Date:    1998/6/18 08:59 AM 
    

Dear Sir 
I'm using the PA2007 and the k6-2 266 overclocked to 300mhz. 
Also I'm running 68.5 4.5x 2.3v and its running great! The one problem 
I have is when I warm boot i.e. ctrl alt del, it throws it into a rebooting 
loop right past mem check. My bios is 113cd13.awd via chipset vt82c586a, and 
ICW w48c67- 01h-0703  1731t. My board is pa2007 rev 1.2. Also is this 
ICW chip locked @ 66-68.5 or can I try 75mhz? Is this the right bios for 
this chipset-board? It seems many people cant get this board to run this k6-2 
because of the rebooting looping problem! Outside of this one problem my 
system runs great!  So close to perfect! 
Thank you 
Regards 
Frank T. Mars 
rmars15669@aol.com 
  

___________________ Reply Separator _____________________
Subj: Re: PA2007 and k6-2 bios 
Date: 6/18/98 10:58:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time 
From: Tech_Support_at_FIC-R&D@ccgtwy.fic.com.tw (Tech Support) 
To: RMars15669@AOL.COM 
    
     Thank you for contacting FIC technical support. Please include your 
     case number when you reply. 
  
     The limitation is not on Clock generator(ICW W48c67 which may support 
     75 Mhz), it is from bios, 113Cx.13, it only support system clock at 
     66Mhz, in order to support 128MB sdram and AMD k6-2 266&300, we 
     release it to meet customer's demand. 
  
     We appreciate your report on bios warm boot problem, I'm afraid there 
     will no more bios release for PA-2007 any more, however we will 
     prevent this bug on our current mass production board. 
  
     Sincerely your, 
     Tech Support 
 
 
 
Friday 19th June 1998
    
Wonderful news FIC have posted an official release BIOS update for the PA-2007 motherboard adding support for the AMD K6-2 3D and the Cyrix MII processors.  There are two versions of the BIOS, the 113cd13 is for PA-2007 with VIA 586A and the 113cn13 is for PA-2007 with VIA 586B. 
  
I intend to do some flashing this weekend and post a detailed report.  Since flashing to the new BIOS (113cd13) my initial tests show no significant changes in performance.   

There is some bad news with this update.  I still have a report of the looping reboot problem stills persisting even after the new 113cd13 update. 
 

BTW,  the FIC gods are watching over the PA-2007 Technical Reference site.  It seems they have updated the FIC PA-2007 FAQ on the Taiwan site with a link to my innovative user front page.  Cool, hah?  

I pray to the gods for continued PA-2007 motherboard support,  an FIC approved re-engineering core voltage kit (included one 100K ohm resistor = 2.2V),  and definitely continue producing kick-ass products! 
 
 
 

Wednesday 17th June 1998
I have had some very disturbing reports from PA-2007 owners running the K6-2 cpu and beta BIOS 113cd133.  A looping reboot problem after the memory count.  One report says the board will not even successfully boot and another says the reboot looping is triggered via a soft reboot (ctrl+alt+del).  In this case a hard reboot (shutdown) ensures the system runs fine on restart. 

Furthermore,  it seems flashing back to 109cd12 fixes the problem.  Ah,  it seems to be a BIOS problem.  Those of you with this problem have you tried the more recent beta BIOS 113cd15?  I will keep you all updated. 
 
 
 

Sunday 14th June 1998
    
I have added a link pointing to the alt.comp.periph.mainboard.fic news group below in the Content Highlights section.  Click on the link to use the dejanews site. Eventually I think I will get rid of the Help Wanted page and point you to the News Group where you can post your problems. In the news group the problem will get more exposure.  

So today before you leave this site check out the discussions.  
 
 
 

Saturday 13th June 1998
 
Hi everyone the site is up again.  Sorry about the delays. 
 
 
 
Tuesday 9th June 1998 
 
The beta BIOS does report the K6-2 processors as K6-2-266 or K6-2-300.  This can only confirm that the BIOS supports ALL currently available AMD K6 processors. 
 
I have posted a PA-2007 & K6-3D report from 'smoker'.  Check it out. 
 
 
 
Monday 8th June 1998
 
I have received a number of e-mails from individuals asking for help and advise.  That's great, I'm glad this site is generating renewed interest in the PA-2007 motherboard.  As best as I can I have been replying to those questions but unfortunately there are also many I can't find answers to.  This is the reason I think this site can help us find solutions to these problems.  In the future when you e-mail a problem, put Help Wanted, in the subject line.  If you agree I will post the e-mail along with a link to your e-mail address on the Help Wanted page.  The whole idea is if enough people read your posts then e-mail you there is a better chance of finding the answer! 
 
Keep e-mailing me as I enjoy the your comments and feedback. 
 
  
  
Saturday 6th June 1998
 
Great news I have found someone who is running a K6-2 on a PA-2007.  Read the following post:  
 
Hey,
Well the PA2007 runs just fine with the k6-2 3d 
Right now I am running bus speed of 68mhz, 2.3v, 4.5x
266 jumped to 300. With compound and waterfall.
At 2.1v @300 I got a write protect, so I jumped it to 2.3v
Pins 9,10 11,12 with bios 1.13cd133 I am going to let my
son test it in unreal--true test-- Your PA2007 page is great!
I got my bios from WW's page
Hey this chip is flat out like a lizard running!
Regards
Smoker

I am curious to know more details.  What speed and cpu exactly does the beta 113cd133 BIOS report?  I guess we must give Smoker and his son some time to test the combination.  How rock solid is it? 
 
 
  
Friday 5th June 1998
WOW!  I never thought I would see the day, but it has happened.  What you ask?  I'm talking about PA-2007 core voltage adapter envy.  Visiting a number of message boards at various hardware sites all I see are posts claiming undocumented and unproven core voltage hacks on various other motherboards.  I'm not flaming the people who post but lets see some proof  -  how and why it works.  Remember make sure you don't try any unsubstantiated voltage settings or else something will fry! 

The voltage settings I discovered were tested and proven and then confirmed by FIC Technical Support but please note they do not endorse it. 

I will explain how the 100K resistor jumpered at VR position 11-12 on the PA-2007 motherboard gives you 2.2V.  FIC has confirmed the following resistors values that determine the core voltage settings on a revision 1.2 board: 

 
Resistor
Resistor Value (ohms)
Core Voltage (volts)
R268
61.9K
3.5
R269
75K
3.3
R272
90.9K
3.2
R274
158K
2.9
R277
210K
2.8
R701
82.5K
2.1
Courtesy of FIC Technical Support
 
They also stated that in the next revision of the PA-2007 they would change the value of the R701 resistor to 182K.  Therefore, if R701 is currently 82.5K you must add a 100K resistor in series to make the total resistance 182K.  
82.5K + 100K = 182.5K = 2.2V
 
  
  
Wednesday 3rd June 1998
 
Hi to all my visitors and thank you for all your support.  I want to tell you that I'm not ready to buy a 100MHz super socket 7 motherboard.  Not enough choices and the technology is not mature just yet plus my PA-2007 has plenty of life left.  
 
I want the K6-2 with 3DNow! and later buy a super socket 7 motherboard to replace the PA-2007.  I think the 266MHz (o/c to 337 or 375) will work great on the PA-2007.   A perfect gaming platform.  Add to that more memory and one of them 3D accelerator cards and whoosh your away. 
 
I have sent an e-mail to FIC technical support and hope to get a reply soon on the subject of the PA-2007 and K6-2 3DNow! processors.  Please help me lobby FIC for continued BIOS support.  Take 5 minutes now, to write FIC and request support for the latest K6 cpus. 
  
 
 
Saturday 30th May 1998 
Are you having problems trying to browse FIC's Taiwan web site www.fic.com.tw?  Their server must be down.  I don't know the reason for the server not being available.  Please e-mail me if you know.   
 
 
The PA-2007 beta BIOS 113cd133 is available to add support for both large SDRAM 64MB and 128MB memory modules as well as AMD's new 0.25 micron processors, the K6-266 and K6-300.  The 113cd133 BIOS now recognises the K6-266/300 cpus reporting them correctly and the memory write speed problems the K6-266/300 had with the previous release BIOS version 109cd12 has been fixed.  I don't know if the new K6-2 with 3DNow! is supported by the beta BIOS.    

The newest BIOS file I have for the PA-2007 motherboard is beta BIOS version 113cd15.  I have not used this flash file on my board yet but WindWalker author of the PC Hardware Blue Book site has and reported a small performance improvement with his system but his BIOS still displays BIOS version 113cd133. Go figure.  What does it mean? 

FIC have posted new memory support documentation for the PA-2007.  It documents the 64 MB and 128 MB tested with beta BIOS revision 113cd133.  The report is available on Your Page. 
 
 
  
Friday 29th May 1998
  
I have added a new page, 'Your Page', devoted to the valuable information I get from your e-mails and the information I find in newsgroups.  So enjoy!   
 
 
 

Friday 15th May 1998
  
Birth of the PA-2007 Technical Reference site.  Posted the PA-2007 How-to-guide for core voltages.  Go ahead and read this guide and find out how to set core voltages starting from 2.1V through to 3.3V in 0.1V increments. 
  
*Important Note* - the How-to-guide for core voltages can only be used by owners of revision 1.2 motherboards.  It seems the board revisions prior to 1.2 did not have the 2.1V setting (VR jumper positions 11-12) which is so important to achieving 2.2V with the 100K resistor. 

Sorry to the owners of the PA-2012 motherboard.  I do not have a PA-2012 motherboard which I can do my core voltage testing with.  Therefore I cannot help you with a 2.2V setting. 
 
 
 

 
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